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	<title>Comments on: Episode #57: Fatherhood in Potter</title>
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	<description>If you thought Harry Potter was just for kids, think again!</description>
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		<title>By: Shippo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shippo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF? Arthur Weasley is a terrible father. He plays favorites and is quite obvious about it, he undercuts his wife&#039;s authority all the time (in Molly&#039;s presence he acts like he agrees w/ her, but then says stupid comments like asking the twins how well the Ford Anglia handles when they should be punished for breaking a rule even tho it was for a worthy cause). He continues to tamper w/ Muggle objects knowing full well that is a direct violation of the rules in the very dept he WORKS at, and if not for his Order connections he&#039;d have been fired instead of fined and how does expect to support his ginormous family w/out a paycheque. He&#039;s a dork that never fully grew up and while many people hate his son Percy w/ a passion at least Perce had the gumption to apologize on-page, Arthur never said &quot;I forgive you&quot; or &quot;I love you&quot; or &quot;it&#039;s okay, I&#039;ve made mistakes too&quot;. And let&#039;s not forget how he ripped Ginny a new one over writing in Riddle&#039;s diary, conveniently forgetting that if HE hadn&#039;t locked fists w/ Lucius at the bookstore the diary never would have landed in her satchel in the first page. It took Dumbledore to get him to calm down that day, can you imagine the guilt she still might have felt if there hadn&#039;t been anyone nearby to reason w/ Dear Ol&#039; Dad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF? Arthur Weasley is a terrible father. He plays favorites and is quite obvious about it, he undercuts his wife&#8217;s authority all the time (in Molly&#8217;s presence he acts like he agrees w/ her, but then says stupid comments like asking the twins how well the Ford Anglia handles when they should be punished for breaking a rule even tho it was for a worthy cause). He continues to tamper w/ Muggle objects knowing full well that is a direct violation of the rules in the very dept he WORKS at, and if not for his Order connections he&#8217;d have been fired instead of fined and how does expect to support his ginormous family w/out a paycheque. He&#8217;s a dork that never fully grew up and while many people hate his son Percy w/ a passion at least Perce had the gumption to apologize on-page, Arthur never said &#8220;I forgive you&#8221; or &#8220;I love you&#8221; or &#8220;it&#8217;s okay, I&#8217;ve made mistakes too&#8221;. And let&#8217;s not forget how he ripped Ginny a new one over writing in Riddle&#8217;s diary, conveniently forgetting that if HE hadn&#8217;t locked fists w/ Lucius at the bookstore the diary never would have landed in her satchel in the first page. It took Dumbledore to get him to calm down that day, can you imagine the guilt she still might have felt if there hadn&#8217;t been anyone nearby to reason w/ Dear Ol&#8217; Dad?</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Hagrid?</description>
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		<title>By: Ale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weee, nothing really to comment since I&#039;m behind on the episodes and just listening to number 54 right now. =(
Oh well.
Just letting you all know, for interest, that I am completely obsessed with The Marauders.

I LOVE SIRIUS BLACK. He rocks, he&#039;s the best, I simply love him. James Potter also owns, and Remus, gosh he&#039;s so adorable!!! =P Maybe has to do with the amount of fanfiction I read. Oh well. Don&#039;t care.

And in an earlier episode, might&#039;ve been the Podcastversary one, I completely agree that David Thewlis was NOT my idea for Remus.

Peace,
Ale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weee, nothing really to comment since I&#8217;m behind on the episodes and just listening to number 54 right now. =(<br />
Oh well.<br />
Just letting you all know, for interest, that I am completely obsessed with The Marauders.</p>
<p>I LOVE SIRIUS BLACK. He rocks, he&#8217;s the best, I simply love him. James Potter also owns, and Remus, gosh he&#8217;s so adorable!!! =P Maybe has to do with the amount of fanfiction I read. Oh well. Don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>And in an earlier episode, might&#8217;ve been the Podcastversary one, I completely agree that David Thewlis was NOT my idea for Remus.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Ale</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok here is your Harry Potter related comment for the day. When your wife tells you that you smell like Hagrid always reply that she is as passionate as Herminie!!! Not very romantic to be sure but the resulting exercise from her chasing you around the house with a broom so early in the AM is quite envigorating! ( Welcome to my world)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok here is your Harry Potter related comment for the day. When your wife tells you that you smell like Hagrid always reply that she is as passionate as Herminie!!! Not very romantic to be sure but the resulting exercise from her chasing you around the house with a broom so early in the AM is quite envigorating! ( Welcome to my world)</p>
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		<title>By: Shimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NevilleGirl - maybe you should be doing the podcast since you&#039;ve actually read the books at least ten times!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NevilleGirl &#8211; maybe you should be doing the podcast since you&#8217;ve actually read the books at least ten times!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: NevilleGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>NevilleGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Penny on the lawsuit situation.  It&#039;s a shame, and I for one would have purchased both the Lexicon book and JKR&#039;s encyclopedia.  I reference the lexicon a lot and it would be nice to have a paper copy to work with, and what Potter fan in their right mind would NOT purchase the encyclopedia?!
I am personally on and off with the fanfic, like Bill I am unsure if it&#039;s worth the time I spend sifting through the junk to get to the jewels... I&#039;ve tried looking up recommendations from assorted podcasts but I mostly end up getting annoyed with it.  And some of it is SOOOO long!!!  I am a reader by nature, I&#039;ve read each of the Potter books at least 10 times (DH prob only about 5 and counting...) so I would have the patience if I could find a great one.  If anyone recommends one I&#039;d be happy to try again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Penny on the lawsuit situation.  It&#8217;s a shame, and I for one would have purchased both the Lexicon book and JKR&#8217;s encyclopedia.  I reference the lexicon a lot and it would be nice to have a paper copy to work with, and what Potter fan in their right mind would NOT purchase the encyclopedia?!<br />
I am personally on and off with the fanfic, like Bill I am unsure if it&#8217;s worth the time I spend sifting through the junk to get to the jewels&#8230; I&#8217;ve tried looking up recommendations from assorted podcasts but I mostly end up getting annoyed with it.  And some of it is SOOOO long!!!  I am a reader by nature, I&#8217;ve read each of the Potter books at least 10 times (DH prob only about 5 and counting&#8230;) so I would have the patience if I could find a great one.  If anyone recommends one I&#8217;d be happy to try again!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I saw some bows to the fans too but as Penny points out there are 328,829 on fanfiction.net alone. If you  think about it there are a limited number of characters and a limited number of feasible stories (I think anything involving the giant squid&#039;s love life is probably not to big a concern) so odds are that even if she never read any of the fan stuff  some of it had to match up with what she wrote.

I do wonder how much of that JKR reads. How much do y&#039;all read? I used to really enjoy the theories, still do but the knowing kinda takes the edge off. But honestly, I try fan fiction often but get tired of it pretty fast. I find a whole lot of it is much the same thing over and over. And some of the writing is dreadful. Occasionally you find a decent story, more rarely an outstanding one even but I ask myself if what you wade through to get to the good one is worth it. And if it is really good it can muddle up and I forget which is what and think some fan fiction fact is a book fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I saw some bows to the fans too but as Penny points out there are 328,829 on fanfiction.net alone. If you  think about it there are a limited number of characters and a limited number of feasible stories (I think anything involving the giant squid&#8217;s love life is probably not to big a concern) so odds are that even if she never read any of the fan stuff  some of it had to match up with what she wrote.</p>
<p>I do wonder how much of that JKR reads. How much do y&#8217;all read? I used to really enjoy the theories, still do but the knowing kinda takes the edge off. But honestly, I try fan fiction often but get tired of it pretty fast. I find a whole lot of it is much the same thing over and over. And some of the writing is dreadful. Occasionally you find a decent story, more rarely an outstanding one even but I ask myself if what you wade through to get to the good one is worth it. And if it is really good it can muddle up and I forget which is what and think some fan fiction fact is a book fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good point, Aaron.  It is interesting.  I did hear some talk about this.  I think this is a difficult situation because JK Rowling has been VERY giving to her fandom (and I think  Bill alluded to this earlier).  She has put up no objection with the multitude fanfiction that has come out of the Potter stories (I just did a look at fanfiction.net and Harry Potter is by FAR the largest community there with 328,829 stories and counting) or the wizard rock, podcasts and books.  The problem is that the publishers of the Lexicon (not even necessarily Steve Vander Ark, but I don&#039;t know) have gone about this in the completely wrong way and it seems like legal action is the last resort by JKR and WB.  My biggest worry is that this will affect Jo&#039;s relationship with her fandom and how open she is to &quot;lend us&quot; her work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point, Aaron.  It is interesting.  I did hear some talk about this.  I think this is a difficult situation because JK Rowling has been VERY giving to her fandom (and I think  Bill alluded to this earlier).  She has put up no objection with the multitude fanfiction that has come out of the Potter stories (I just did a look at fanfiction.net and Harry Potter is by FAR the largest community there with 328,829 stories and counting) or the wizard rock, podcasts and books.  The problem is that the publishers of the Lexicon (not even necessarily Steve Vander Ark, but I don&#8217;t know) have gone about this in the completely wrong way and it seems like legal action is the last resort by JKR and WB.  My biggest worry is that this will affect Jo&#8217;s relationship with her fandom and how open she is to &#8220;lend us&#8221; her work.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm I have actually been thinking seriously about what I may not like about The series or movies. I pretty much think all are fine. Even the shrunken heads do not really cause me concern.  All the characters seem done well enough and aside from not really wanting it to end have no complaints about the characters.
 Now for my issue. In the hype and prognosticating that we were experiencing in the pre-release days I read and listened to many many great theories and fan fiction. When I read (not skimmed through) Deathly Hallows, I felt it was a fitting tribute to many of those ideas and theories as so many were included it could not have been coincidental. I actually feel and think these ideas and story lines were taken from the fans and claimed by the author which is her right and because it is her world it is made so. Again I thought of this  as more of a gift to the fans than a claim to their ideas.  Why then the issue with the Lexicon?  I would think JKR would not have an issue with money. Don&#039;t see how she could really but perhaps not being able to claim this incredible information as her own as easily as she did the prognosticating fan fiction is a reason for her to join WB or the corporations whi I am sure are driven by profit. Has there been any other news about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm I have actually been thinking seriously about what I may not like about The series or movies. I pretty much think all are fine. Even the shrunken heads do not really cause me concern.  All the characters seem done well enough and aside from not really wanting it to end have no complaints about the characters.<br />
 Now for my issue. In the hype and prognosticating that we were experiencing in the pre-release days I read and listened to many many great theories and fan fiction. When I read (not skimmed through) Deathly Hallows, I felt it was a fitting tribute to many of those ideas and theories as so many were included it could not have been coincidental. I actually feel and think these ideas and story lines were taken from the fans and claimed by the author which is her right and because it is her world it is made so. Again I thought of this  as more of a gift to the fans than a claim to their ideas.  Why then the issue with the Lexicon?  I would think JKR would not have an issue with money. Don&#8217;t see how she could really but perhaps not being able to claim this incredible information as her own as easily as she did the prognosticating fan fiction is a reason for her to join WB or the corporations whi I am sure are driven by profit. Has there been any other news about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>muggle123: It was not our intention to generalize about Christians; if we did, I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>muggle123: It was not our intention to generalize about Christians; if we did, I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I told you once before...those heads ar not Jamaican, they channel Jar Jar Binks. But seriously, y&#039;know that the annoying heads are there so people won&#039;t notice how awful the hairless werewolf or the bird eating tree are.

I pretty much despise the POA movie....probably because in part it remains my favorite book. And really I have heard that Cuaron is artistic and gets to the heart of the story and on and on and on. Bottom line, this is the man who gave us Hitler Filtwick and his frog band.

And Kreacher.....Ah Poor Old Kreacher! How his mistress would cry if she saw him with fluffy whit ear hair!

I really hate how the Kreacher thing resolved. Kreacher from Order and Prince is pretty much my absolute favorite character in all the books. I was not happy when Harry patted him on the head, he then felt all loved, went and took a bath, cleaned the kitchen and baked cookies.

I guess it is larger than just Kreacher because I was really looking forward to how she resolved the whole slavery thing. And she didn&#039;t resolve it. I found it interesting that while Dobby was the one who most actively &quot;won&quot; his freedom (although it was Harry who actually coned Malfoy) yet he remains the most slaveish in his dealings with Wizards. (this is part of why I dislike him---I want to say &quot;Hey ACT like a FREE  elf for God&#039;s sake!)  Winkie was freed against her will and reacted by going into deep denial and drink. But here is Kreacher, still enslaved but actually the elf with the most free will, the one who is defiant, who mouths off, who refuses to work unless he wants to. Kreacher is the resistance. I thought she had all this set up  for some great resolution that would make a statement about slavery. But then Kreacher gets redeemed by love---and as a loved slave makes a better one--- Dobby dies a nobel death, Winkie is, we presume. still tossing them back and there is no resolution at all as to the issue of enslavement of  house elves. I was disappointed by that.

But here is the real house elf question....those stuffed elf heads on the wall of number twelve....can THEY channel Star Wars characters???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I told you once before&#8230;those heads ar not Jamaican, they channel Jar Jar Binks. But seriously, y&#8217;know that the annoying heads are there so people won&#8217;t notice how awful the hairless werewolf or the bird eating tree are.</p>
<p>I pretty much despise the POA movie&#8230;.probably because in part it remains my favorite book. And really I have heard that Cuaron is artistic and gets to the heart of the story and on and on and on. Bottom line, this is the man who gave us Hitler Filtwick and his frog band.</p>
<p>And Kreacher&#8230;..Ah Poor Old Kreacher! How his mistress would cry if she saw him with fluffy whit ear hair!</p>
<p>I really hate how the Kreacher thing resolved. Kreacher from Order and Prince is pretty much my absolute favorite character in all the books. I was not happy when Harry patted him on the head, he then felt all loved, went and took a bath, cleaned the kitchen and baked cookies.</p>
<p>I guess it is larger than just Kreacher because I was really looking forward to how she resolved the whole slavery thing. And she didn&#8217;t resolve it. I found it interesting that while Dobby was the one who most actively &#8220;won&#8221; his freedom (although it was Harry who actually coned Malfoy) yet he remains the most slaveish in his dealings with Wizards. (this is part of why I dislike him&#8212;I want to say &#8220;Hey ACT like a FREE  elf for God&#8217;s sake!)  Winkie was freed against her will and reacted by going into deep denial and drink. But here is Kreacher, still enslaved but actually the elf with the most free will, the one who is defiant, who mouths off, who refuses to work unless he wants to. Kreacher is the resistance. I thought she had all this set up  for some great resolution that would make a statement about slavery. But then Kreacher gets redeemed by love&#8212;and as a loved slave makes a better one&#8212; Dobby dies a nobel death, Winkie is, we presume. still tossing them back and there is no resolution at all as to the issue of enslavement of  house elves. I was disappointed by that.</p>
<p>But here is the real house elf question&#8230;.those stuffed elf heads on the wall of number twelve&#8230;.can THEY channel Star Wars characters???</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am joshing.  I skimmed the books.

But seriously, Bill- I am in agreement with you on Dobby- I was never a big fan, although his death was emotional- but not a tear jerker moment for me.  I will disagree with you on winky though.  Not a fan of her.  I love how Kreacher&#039;s character and story line turned out though.

As far as Ginny goes, I have an on and off thing with Ginny, but I sort of hear you.  Definitely don&#039;t like Jim Dale&#039;s portrayal of her.

And don&#039;t get me started on the shrunken heads...or the Jamaican accents!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am joshing.  I skimmed the books.</p>
<p>But seriously, Bill- I am in agreement with you on Dobby- I was never a big fan, although his death was emotional- but not a tear jerker moment for me.  I will disagree with you on winky though.  Not a fan of her.  I love how Kreacher&#8217;s character and story line turned out though.</p>
<p>As far as Ginny goes, I have an on and off thing with Ginny, but I sort of hear you.  Definitely don&#8217;t like Jim Dale&#8217;s portrayal of her.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get me started on the shrunken heads&#8230;or the Jamaican accents!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Olander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Olander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny, I can&#039;t believe you haven&#039;t actually read Harry Potter! I don&#039;t believe it! You HAVE to have read the series at least ONCE! Are you joshing us?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny, I can&#8217;t believe you haven&#8217;t actually read Harry Potter! I don&#8217;t believe it! You HAVE to have read the series at least ONCE! Are you joshing us?!</p>
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		<title>By: Mizz Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizz Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Bill, I don&#039;t like Dobby either, although I did cry in the book when it died it wasn&#039;t actually for his death it was just the scene of Harry digging the grave that did it for me.

As I said earlier, not a big fan of Hagrid either, but the one I am really having issues with is Dumbledore,  I just don&#039;t think of him as that great wizard that everyone else does,  now if he hadn&#039;t been such a $%*@ to Snape.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bill, I don&#8217;t like Dobby either, although I did cry in the book when it died it wasn&#8217;t actually for his death it was just the scene of Harry digging the grave that did it for me.</p>
<p>As I said earlier, not a big fan of Hagrid either, but the one I am really having issues with is Dumbledore,  I just don&#8217;t think of him as that great wizard that everyone else does,  now if he hadn&#8217;t been such a $%*@ to Snape&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.... this is hard but...

I didn&#039;t  like the shrunken heads.</description>
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<p>I didn&#8217;t  like the shrunken heads.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I confess I tied her down andmade her watch all the movies 3 times and then placed headphones on her head and played audio books nightly. Isn&#039;t that what love is all about? She still talks like Jim Dale(kinda Freaky)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess I tied her down andmade her watch all the movies 3 times and then placed headphones on her head and played audio books nightly. Isn&#8217;t that what love is all about? She still talks like Jim Dale(kinda Freaky)</p>
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		<title>By: snapes widow into bdsm</title>
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		<dc:creator>snapes widow into bdsm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must confess too I have not read ANY HP books or watched the movies without bondage and force.</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boy ! Here we go!</description>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are going to make confessions and not judge, I must confess this.  Please don&#039;t judge me.  I haven&#039;t actually ever read Harry Potter.  I just go by what Greg says.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron you&#039;re right. And I didn&#039;t have to look it up, had it drilled into me years ago. It&#039;s not one of the ten commandments.....Love thy neighbor as thy self is from the book of Matthew (Chapter 22 verse 39 actually----there, big time proof that Baptist Sunday School sticks with you!) It is the second of Jesus&#039; two great commandments. the first is &quot;Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.( verse 37 I think)

No matter, muggle 123 made a fine point,&quot;Love thy neighbor as thy self&quot; is a pretty darn good starting point, Old Testament or New

Here is my one line opinion about Christians and the Bible and Harry Potter......SOME (note I say some) Christians are too quick to use the Bible to judge and condemn
and SOME Harry Potter fans are too quick to paint all Christians with the same brush. People need to see above I DO khat was two lines but the second was just a recommendation coming out of the first.

And Penny it&#039;s such fun to challenge you I may never tell you if I actually think you ARE right. In point of fact we do have something strongly in common,  that being a dislike of really beloved Potter characters.There are two I strongly dislike and can probably engender more outrage with them than you do with Hagrid.

And just to show you how fair I am, I will stand up and speak the names.....

Like I said I don&#039;t always care for Sirius and Lupin although I find them interesting at times. It is not them, they are kinda okay.

Here goes....

I find Dobby generally to be very annoying! And horrors of horrors, not a tear was jerked when he ...er ...passed. I do however love Kreacher and Winkie. Especially murderous demented Kreacher before he took a bath and turned into Cup-of-Soup Kreacher. And I adore plastered Winkie. But Dobby...Well &quot;Dobby is being one annoying elf sir.&quot;

And it gets worse. I will say this and duck out quickly because people will throw stuff. I really really REALLY don&#039;t like Ginny Weasley. From Whine at the Train Ginny to Ginnymort to A Fathers&#039; Worst Nightmare Ginny to Harry Fling Ginny to Freedom Fighter Ginny to Momma Ginny never once liked her. Not a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron you&#8217;re right. And I didn&#8217;t have to look it up, had it drilled into me years ago. It&#8217;s not one of the ten commandments&#8230;..Love thy neighbor as thy self is from the book of Matthew (Chapter 22 verse 39 actually&#8212;-there, big time proof that Baptist Sunday School sticks with you!) It is the second of Jesus&#8217; two great commandments. the first is &#8220;Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.( verse 37 I think)</p>
<p>No matter, muggle 123 made a fine point,&#8221;Love thy neighbor as thy self&#8221; is a pretty darn good starting point, Old Testament or New</p>
<p>Here is my one line opinion about Christians and the Bible and Harry Potter&#8230;&#8230;SOME (note I say some) Christians are too quick to use the Bible to judge and condemn<br />
and SOME Harry Potter fans are too quick to paint all Christians with the same brush. People need to see above I DO khat was two lines but the second was just a recommendation coming out of the first.</p>
<p>And Penny it&#8217;s such fun to challenge you I may never tell you if I actually think you ARE right. In point of fact we do have something strongly in common,  that being a dislike of really beloved Potter characters.There are two I strongly dislike and can probably engender more outrage with them than you do with Hagrid.</p>
<p>And just to show you how fair I am, I will stand up and speak the names&#8230;..</p>
<p>Like I said I don&#8217;t always care for Sirius and Lupin although I find them interesting at times. It is not them, they are kinda okay.</p>
<p>Here goes&#8230;.</p>
<p>I find Dobby generally to be very annoying! And horrors of horrors, not a tear was jerked when he &#8230;er &#8230;passed. I do however love Kreacher and Winkie. Especially murderous demented Kreacher before he took a bath and turned into Cup-of-Soup Kreacher. And I adore plastered Winkie. But Dobby&#8230;Well &#8220;Dobby is being one annoying elf sir.&#8221;</p>
<p>And it gets worse. I will say this and duck out quickly because people will throw stuff. I really really REALLY don&#8217;t like Ginny Weasley. From Whine at the Train Ginny to Ginnymort to A Fathers&#8217; Worst Nightmare Ginny to Harry Fling Ginny to Freedom Fighter Ginny to Momma Ginny never once liked her. Not a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/11/08/episode-57-fatherhood-in-potter/comment-page-1/#comment-3389</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh I am glad you finally taught me how to spell Judaism.</description>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once we are nitpicking on the Ten Commandments, in Judaism, we consider the first commandment to be  I am the Lord, your God.  But that is completely besides the point.

Anyway, Muggle 123- I apologize if you were offended at our tone of discussion in that episode.  I honestly can&#039;t remember the exact discussion but I can only assume that when we referred to Christians being agains homosexuality, we were referring to (and I really hate this word for very specific reasons) more fundamentalist sects of Christianity.  I apologize if we were unclear in that but that was our intent.  By no means did we mean to infer that all Christians were against homosexuality or intolerant of other lifestyles- nor did we mean to infer that all Christians were of the Laura Mallory pursuasion.

Once we are in the apologizeing mode (and no Aaron, I am not apologizing for my dislike of Hagrid)- we received an e-mail after we put up the poll in the Dumbledore is Gay episode from someone who was offended that one of the options for the poll wasn&#039;t &quot;I think it is great&quot; or something positive like that- the most positive tone we took was &quot;It doesn&#039;t change things for me.&quot;  anyway, there was really no hidden meaning behind that poll.  Whoever made it (and I believe it was greg) did so in the middle of the night.  By the time we get to posting the show on the website it is after the show prep, the recording, the editing- all of the technical stuff, trying to come up with something witty to write in the blurb etc...we are pretty knackered (to borrow a british expression that I love) so the omission of &quot;something positive&quot; was an accident and not malicious in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once we are nitpicking on the Ten Commandments, in Judaism, we consider the first commandment to be  I am the Lord, your God.  But that is completely besides the point.</p>
<p>Anyway, Muggle 123- I apologize if you were offended at our tone of discussion in that episode.  I honestly can&#8217;t remember the exact discussion but I can only assume that when we referred to Christians being agains homosexuality, we were referring to (and I really hate this word for very specific reasons) more fundamentalist sects of Christianity.  I apologize if we were unclear in that but that was our intent.  By no means did we mean to infer that all Christians were against homosexuality or intolerant of other lifestyles- nor did we mean to infer that all Christians were of the Laura Mallory pursuasion.</p>
<p>Once we are in the apologizeing mode (and no Aaron, I am not apologizing for my dislike of Hagrid)- we received an e-mail after we put up the poll in the Dumbledore is Gay episode from someone who was offended that one of the options for the poll wasn&#8217;t &#8220;I think it is great&#8221; or something positive like that- the most positive tone we took was &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t change things for me.&#8221;  anyway, there was really no hidden meaning behind that poll.  Whoever made it (and I believe it was greg) did so in the middle of the night.  By the time we get to posting the show on the website it is after the show prep, the recording, the editing- all of the technical stuff, trying to come up with something witty to write in the blurb etc&#8230;we are pretty knackered (to borrow a british expression that I love) so the omission of &#8220;something positive&#8221; was an accident and not malicious in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I looked it up.
&quot;Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?&quot; Jesus replied: &quot; &#039;Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.&#039; This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: &#039;Love your neighbor as yourself.&#039; All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments&quot; (Matthew 22:36-40).

 Sorry bout that I am a stickler for the original movie with Charleston Heston.  It is actually refered to as a commandment in the New Testiment.
Butterbeers on me! But I think that some people have to learn to love themselves to make it work the way it should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I looked it up.<br />
&#8220;Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?&#8221; Jesus replied: &#8221; &#8216;Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.&#8217; This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: &#8216;Love your neighbor as yourself.&#8217; All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments&#8221; (Matthew 22:36-40).</p>
<p> Sorry bout that I am a stickler for the original movie with Charleston Heston.  It is actually refered to as a commandment in the New Testiment.<br />
Butterbeers on me! But I think that some people have to learn to love themselves to make it work the way it should.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love being off topic. I thought the first commandment was &#039;You shall have no other gods before Me.&#039;  and I don&#039;t recall the love thy neighbor thing being one of them unless you are talking a desparate housewifes episode. Being a Christian I have always respected how Greg and Penny have handled the religious aspects of the HP Progs discussions. Sometimes it may seem that the analitical way Greg approaches christianity can be freaky but I know I sound much worse talking about the Jewish religion and just like the people here mean nothing more by it but to learn and understand. The point is taken that all Christian teachings I know of preach against homosexuality. I consider myself pretty open minded but will not be as immodest to think I am without hang-ups. All I can do is try to understand and hope for understanding from others.  My feeling is that there is no offense to be taken here but in having open discussions on such hot issues as sex, politics and religions there will be disagreement. When handled civily this may not change your opinion but will definatly help you to understand the others viewpoint.  Our differances are truely a gift and should not be made into a curse.  Speak up as you have when you disagree and get clarification and I am sure you will both learn and teach by it. I do my best to try and be that way myself but this attitude Penny has tward Hagrid is yet another matter. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love being off topic. I thought the first commandment was &#8216;You shall have no other gods before Me.&#8217;  and I don&#8217;t recall the love thy neighbor thing being one of them unless you are talking a desparate housewifes episode. Being a Christian I have always respected how Greg and Penny have handled the religious aspects of the HP Progs discussions. Sometimes it may seem that the analitical way Greg approaches christianity can be freaky but I know I sound much worse talking about the Jewish religion and just like the people here mean nothing more by it but to learn and understand. The point is taken that all Christian teachings I know of preach against homosexuality. I consider myself pretty open minded but will not be as immodest to think I am without hang-ups. All I can do is try to understand and hope for understanding from others.  My feeling is that there is no offense to be taken here but in having open discussions on such hot issues as sex, politics and religions there will be disagreement. When handled civily this may not change your opinion but will definatly help you to understand the others viewpoint.  Our differances are truely a gift and should not be made into a curse.  Speak up as you have when you disagree and get clarification and I am sure you will both learn and teach by it. I do my best to try and be that way myself but this attitude Penny has tward Hagrid is yet another matter. <img src='http://www.hpprogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: muggle123</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is off topic, and I LOVE the show, but I do wish to form a complaint. I only JUST listened to Episode 55, and was appalled at how you depicted Christians. When you mentioned at the end about religious views on being gay, seemingly implying Christians, I was shocked at how you depicted ALL Christians as against being gay, and couldn&#039;t believe how you were talking about being unprejudice and then seemed to act prejudice towards Christians yourselfs! I am Christian and love gay people and am NOT intolerant of them! I really do love the show, but I felt I had to let you know that Christians are not all like Laura Malarie!  In fact, I don&#039;t know of any Christians where I live who don&#039;t love gay people.  The first Commandment is, after all, &quot;Love your neighbor as yourself!&quot;  I do love your show, but I felt I had to speak up for my religion because the way you phrased the end of the show seemed to imply that you believed all Christians were intolerant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is off topic, and I LOVE the show, but I do wish to form a complaint. I only JUST listened to Episode 55, and was appalled at how you depicted Christians. When you mentioned at the end about religious views on being gay, seemingly implying Christians, I was shocked at how you depicted ALL Christians as against being gay, and couldn&#8217;t believe how you were talking about being unprejudice and then seemed to act prejudice towards Christians yourselfs! I am Christian and love gay people and am NOT intolerant of them! I really do love the show, but I felt I had to let you know that Christians are not all like Laura Malarie!  In fact, I don&#8217;t know of any Christians where I live who don&#8217;t love gay people.  The first Commandment is, after all, &#8220;Love your neighbor as yourself!&#8221;  I do love your show, but I felt I had to speak up for my religion because the way you phrased the end of the show seemed to imply that you believed all Christians were intolerant!</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill- I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on the Hagrid issue.  I don&#039;t doubt that we will have more of these disagreements in the future but I look forward to them and I appreciate that you challenge me and make me think twice about my opinions.

And Mizz Andy- What do you mean you don&#039;t always agree with me?!?!?!?!  I thought we had that females always stick together thing going on here!!!  Just Kidding.

Snapes Widow: A  lot of good that song did Cameron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill- I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on the Hagrid issue.  I don&#8217;t doubt that we will have more of these disagreements in the future but I look forward to them and I appreciate that you challenge me and make me think twice about my opinions.</p>
<p>And Mizz Andy- What do you mean you don&#8217;t always agree with me?!?!?!?!  I thought we had that females always stick together thing going on here!!!  Just Kidding.</p>
<p>Snapes Widow: A  lot of good that song did Cameron.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Bill you got me by a decade. We will have to get together and share a can of Ensure sometime. I still say Hagrid is the man!!! A powerful and near invulnerable fighter that has the heart of a puppy. I think partying with Hagrid would be pretty wild. Anyways that horse is beat into the ground. Hagrid Rulz!!! Nuff said.... ;) If we are using such liberal terms in defining father figures why limit ourselves to sex? Professor Monagal was definitally a responsible role model / protector and mentor. I feel Harry revered her as the example of what an authoritative parent should be. Am I wrong? Besides she rocked in Clash of the Titans....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Bill you got me by a decade. We will have to get together and share a can of Ensure sometime. I still say Hagrid is the man!!! A powerful and near invulnerable fighter that has the heart of a puppy. I think partying with Hagrid would be pretty wild. Anyways that horse is beat into the ground. Hagrid Rulz!!! Nuff said&#8230;. <img src='http://www.hpprogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  If we are using such liberal terms in defining father figures why limit ourselves to sex? Professor Monagal was definitally a responsible role model / protector and mentor. I feel Harry revered her as the example of what an authoritative parent should be. Am I wrong? Besides she rocked in Clash of the Titans&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still having trouble when y&#039;all talk about who Harry &quot;see&quot; as a father, I can&#039;t think about any place in the plot where Harry ever thought of anyone but James as his father. The exception is Sirius who he thinks of as father-like but then Sirius is his godfather and he SHOULD be thinking of him as father-like. Harry even describes Sirius&#039; role as &quot;like&quot; a parent in Goblet (pg22):

&quot;What he really wanted (and it felt almost shameful to admit it to himself) was someone like---someone like a parent: an adult wizard who&#039;s advice he could ask without feeling stupid, someone who cared about him and and experience with Dark Magic...&quot;

 Lupin, Arthur, Dumbledore, Hagrid and yes even Vernon and Snape...are male role models but I think, as I have said over and over if you are talking about how HARRY sees people, he sees James as his father, Sirius as his Godfather, Arthur as his friend&#039;s dad and so on. From Harry&#039;s view things are pretty basic. The character of Harry Potter is many things but not until the very end of the stories is he anything like deep.

But in the PLOT---the what happens part of the story those men are male role models. All to some degree flawed but all to some degree redeemable...well maybe not Vernon,,,, But most have more good than bad to them. And again, contrasting plot to literary symbolism, when you talk about father representations, there are lots with that role taken on interchangeably by many of the male characters.

But maybe I am missing something. I would be interested in seeing where in the plot, the straight out story, Harry sees anyone (with the exception of Sirius in his role of godfather) but James as a father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still having trouble when y&#8217;all talk about who Harry &#8220;see&#8221; as a father, I can&#8217;t think about any place in the plot where Harry ever thought of anyone but James as his father. The exception is Sirius who he thinks of as father-like but then Sirius is his godfather and he SHOULD be thinking of him as father-like. Harry even describes Sirius&#8217; role as &#8220;like&#8221; a parent in Goblet (pg22):</p>
<p>&#8220;What he really wanted (and it felt almost shameful to admit it to himself) was someone like&#8212;someone like a parent: an adult wizard who&#8217;s advice he could ask without feeling stupid, someone who cared about him and and experience with Dark Magic&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p> Lupin, Arthur, Dumbledore, Hagrid and yes even Vernon and Snape&#8230;are male role models but I think, as I have said over and over if you are talking about how HARRY sees people, he sees James as his father, Sirius as his Godfather, Arthur as his friend&#8217;s dad and so on. From Harry&#8217;s view things are pretty basic. The character of Harry Potter is many things but not until the very end of the stories is he anything like deep.</p>
<p>But in the PLOT&#8212;the what happens part of the story those men are male role models. All to some degree flawed but all to some degree redeemable&#8230;well maybe not Vernon,,,, But most have more good than bad to them. And again, contrasting plot to literary symbolism, when you talk about father representations, there are lots with that role taken on interchangeably by many of the male characters.</p>
<p>But maybe I am missing something. I would be interested in seeing where in the plot, the straight out story, Harry sees anyone (with the exception of Sirius in his role of godfather) but James as a father.</p>
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		<title>By: lalala</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually like Hagrid&#039;s character. He&#039;s very comforting. But I never really saw Harry looking up to Hagrid as a role model like he did with James, Lupin, Sirius, and even Arthur and Dumbledore. I wouldn&#039;t have included Snape because I see this whole father thing from Harry&#039;s point of view. But Snape&#039;s indirect influence is undeniable in Harry&#039;s upbringing. Each of these character&#039;s had a role in Harry&#039;s growth. I don&#039;t see Hagrid&#039;s role in. I see him as a fun and comforting presence in Harry&#039;s life. I keep trying to label it, like brother or uncle or imaginary friend, but none of these labels are accurate. Similarly, calling Hagrid a father figure takes away from his true character and role in Harry&#039;s life.
If you call Hagrid a father figure and take into account his propensity to drink and find himself in weird situations, he turns into a negative influence on Harry because we&#039;ve given him this fatherly role that has some responsibilities with it. However, if we leave him as a fun and goofy but loving character, his shortcomings don&#039;t have that much of an impact oh Harry&#039;s growth (which I don&#039;t think they did in the book).
I can&#039;t talk about Hagrid&#039;s shortcomings without acknowledging Sirius and Lupin&#039;s. I think Harry saw Lupin as a father figure mostly in the third book and this ended long before the argument in the last book. By then, Harry had matured and no longer saw Lupin as a father figure, but more an equal. And with Sirius, I think the fact that he (and Lupin) were Harry&#039;s father&#039;s best mates automatically gave them a fatherly quality for Harry. The fact that Harry knew Sirius was chosen by his father to be his godfather made Harry look up to him before he even knew Sirius that well.
I think it&#039;s important to say this again; not giving Hagrid a fatherly role does not take away from his character, his role in Harry&#039;s life, or his relationship with Harry.
Alas this will remain a matter of opinion and I must admit the counter arguments are worthy and thought-provoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually like Hagrid&#8217;s character. He&#8217;s very comforting. But I never really saw Harry looking up to Hagrid as a role model like he did with James, Lupin, Sirius, and even Arthur and Dumbledore. I wouldn&#8217;t have included Snape because I see this whole father thing from Harry&#8217;s point of view. But Snape&#8217;s indirect influence is undeniable in Harry&#8217;s upbringing. Each of these character&#8217;s had a role in Harry&#8217;s growth. I don&#8217;t see Hagrid&#8217;s role in. I see him as a fun and comforting presence in Harry&#8217;s life. I keep trying to label it, like brother or uncle or imaginary friend, but none of these labels are accurate. Similarly, calling Hagrid a father figure takes away from his true character and role in Harry&#8217;s life.<br />
If you call Hagrid a father figure and take into account his propensity to drink and find himself in weird situations, he turns into a negative influence on Harry because we&#8217;ve given him this fatherly role that has some responsibilities with it. However, if we leave him as a fun and goofy but loving character, his shortcomings don&#8217;t have that much of an impact oh Harry&#8217;s growth (which I don&#8217;t think they did in the book).<br />
I can&#8217;t talk about Hagrid&#8217;s shortcomings without acknowledging Sirius and Lupin&#8217;s. I think Harry saw Lupin as a father figure mostly in the third book and this ended long before the argument in the last book. By then, Harry had matured and no longer saw Lupin as a father figure, but more an equal. And with Sirius, I think the fact that he (and Lupin) were Harry&#8217;s father&#8217;s best mates automatically gave them a fatherly quality for Harry. The fact that Harry knew Sirius was chosen by his father to be his godfather made Harry look up to him before he even knew Sirius that well.<br />
I think it&#8217;s important to say this again; not giving Hagrid a fatherly role does not take away from his character, his role in Harry&#8217;s life, or his relationship with Harry.<br />
Alas this will remain a matter of opinion and I must admit the counter arguments are worthy and thought-provoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Shimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said before I agree that it is JKR&#039;s world to do as she pleases. I have no doubt she could write the encyclopedia w/o the lexicon making things up as she goes along but in the long run it would suffer if she wouldn&#039;t take advantage of the wonderful resource provided by the lexicon through endless hours of nitty gritty passionate ironing out of all the small little details which JKR would not notice precicely because of her first hand farmiliarity with her characters. The result would be a lesser quality contradiction filled book which i would run to buy anyways.

Ultimately I think JKR&#039;s free for all policy only contributed to the stature of both her books and the fandom and did not usurp her toal control of the series. She skillfuly took advantage of the unique opportunity provided by the internet explosion to create a Potterverse phenomena of unprecednted porportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said before I agree that it is JKR&#8217;s world to do as she pleases. I have no doubt she could write the encyclopedia w/o the lexicon making things up as she goes along but in the long run it would suffer if she wouldn&#8217;t take advantage of the wonderful resource provided by the lexicon through endless hours of nitty gritty passionate ironing out of all the small little details which JKR would not notice precicely because of her first hand farmiliarity with her characters. The result would be a lesser quality contradiction filled book which i would run to buy anyways.</p>
<p>Ultimately I think JKR&#8217;s free for all policy only contributed to the stature of both her books and the fandom and did not usurp her toal control of the series. She skillfuly took advantage of the unique opportunity provided by the internet explosion to create a Potterverse phenomena of unprecednted porportions.</p>
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