Comments on: Episode #47: The Prince’s Tale - The Tao of Snape http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/ If you thought Harry Potter was just for kids, think again! Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:15:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: A.J. http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2957 A.J. Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:42:08 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2957 I think that Snape did care for Harry even though he resembled James and not Lily; Snape had to because I think Snape thinks,'If I love Lily, I must love his child.' I also, remember that in the first harry potter movie( I don't remember at the moment if it was in the book as well.) that Snape was chanting something to disable Harry from having a jinxed broom. I think he did care for Harry at this time because, of course, he didn't like Professor Quirell, but I don't think he could've let this happen because Snape is not all evil and probably couldn't bare to see Harry so young( with Lily's green eyes) to be hurt at his first Quidditch game. That's my take on that. I think that Snape did care for Harry even though he resembled James and not Lily; Snape had to because I think Snape thinks,’If I love Lily, I must love his child.’ I also, remember that in the first harry potter movie( I don’t remember at the moment if it was in the book as well.) that Snape was chanting something to disable Harry from having a jinxed broom. I think he did care for Harry at this time because, of course, he didn’t like Professor Quirell, but I don’t think he could’ve let this happen because Snape is not all evil and probably couldn’t bare to see Harry so young( with Lily’s green eyes) to be hurt at his first Quidditch game. That’s my take on that.

]]> By: Erin http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2936 Erin Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:58:28 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2936 Don't forget that at the very beginning of Deathly Hallows, Snape watched Charity Burbage die. I believe that's also part of what he meant when he said "Lately only those I could not save". Don’t forget that at the very beginning of Deathly Hallows, Snape watched Charity Burbage die. I believe that’s also part of what he meant when he said “Lately only those I could not save”.

]]> By: Constance http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2956 Constance Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:53:16 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2956 I disagree that Snape telling the portrait of Fineas Nigellus "Don't say that word" is indicative of the change in him. It is indicative of something important - "mudblood" was the word that had cost him Lily's friendship, and I believe that was the whole point of his "worst memory". I don't think Snape likes Hermione, so this phrase isn't trying to defend her, to say that she isn't derisible, rather he has some painful memories and he hates the word and doesn't want to hear it ever around him. I do however believe that Snape changed. He left Voldemort because of Lily, but later I believe he has come to do the right thing for the right reasons, and not just for his lost love. It is his actions that speak louder than the words. When Dumbledore asked Snape about the number of deaths he has witnessed, Snape responded with something like "Lately only those I could not save". And of course his "fight" early in the book, where he actually tried to save someone (Lupin, if I'm not mistaken) and hit George by accident. It is what he does that shows him in true light. I disagree that Snape telling the portrait of Fineas Nigellus “Don’t say that word” is indicative of the change in him. It is indicative of something important - “mudblood” was the word that had cost him Lily’s friendship, and I believe that was the whole point of his “worst memory”. I don’t think Snape likes Hermione, so this phrase isn’t trying to defend her, to say that she isn’t derisible, rather he has some painful memories and he hates the word and doesn’t want to hear it ever around him.

I do however believe that Snape changed. He left Voldemort because of Lily, but later I believe he has come to do the right thing for the right reasons, and not just for his lost love. It is his actions that speak louder than the words. When Dumbledore asked Snape about the number of deaths he has witnessed, Snape responded with something like “Lately only those I could not save”. And of course his “fight” early in the book, where he actually tried to save someone (Lupin, if I’m not mistaken) and hit George by accident. It is what he does that shows him in true light.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2920 Aaron Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:02:50 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2920 SOmebody took my Snape Shirt! UUUGH! I can't keep a Progs shirt around to wear! Snape is cool he he... SOmebody took my Snape Shirt! UUUGH! I can’t keep a Progs shirt around to wear! Snape is cool he he…

]]> By: Vicki http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2955 Vicki Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:06:26 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2955 Greg in Toranto: Thank you very much!!! Greg in Toranto:
Thank you very much!!!

]]> By: tootired http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2954 tootired Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:37:00 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2954 I haven't listened to the podcast or read most of the comments, so I apologize if this has been said/refuted, but Snape abusing students make him a foul person, hands down. Think back to GOF, when Pansy made Hermion's teeth huge and beaver like, and he said coldly, "I see no difference" and wouldn't let her go into the hospital wing. Or when he told Lupin in POA in full earshot of the entire class -"I warn you that your class has Neville Longbottom" and made some public reference that he was an idiot. Or that he took points off for the class not knowing something but wouldn't call on Hermione who DID know the answer. This is not just unfair, it's cruel, when dealing with kids. There are thousands of examples of his actual cruelty to his Gryffyndor students. I haven’t listened to the podcast or read most of the comments, so I apologize if this has been said/refuted, but Snape abusing students make him a foul person, hands down. Think back to GOF, when Pansy made Hermion’s teeth huge and beaver like, and he said coldly, “I see no difference” and wouldn’t let her go into the hospital wing. Or when he told Lupin in POA in full earshot of the entire class -”I warn you that your class has Neville Longbottom” and made some public reference that he was an idiot. Or that he took points off for the class not knowing something but wouldn’t call on Hermione who DID know the answer. This is not just unfair, it’s cruel, when dealing with kids. There are thousands of examples of his actual cruelty to his Gryffyndor students.

]]> By: Elizabeth Anne http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2953 Elizabeth Anne Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:41:23 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2953 You know, Leslie, I think you're dead right! I think that Dumbledore's death would have ended teh wand ... but then would the desecration of his grave have transferred his allegience to Voldemort? In that case, would the wand regain his power if someone did the same to Harry's grave after his death? Sorry about the first post -- I think either i misread it or tehre was an n't missing from your post. Oops on my part! BTW -- There isn't another Elizabeth on the board, just still the two. Just thought I'd add my middle name to make it easier! You know, Leslie, I think you’re dead right! I think that Dumbledore’s death would have ended teh wand … but then would the desecration of his grave have transferred his allegience to Voldemort? In that case, would the wand regain his power if someone did the same to Harry’s grave after his death? Sorry about the first post — I think either i misread it or tehre was an n’t missing from your post. Oops on my part!

BTW — There isn’t another Elizabeth on the board, just still the two. Just thought I’d add my middle name to make it easier!

]]> By: penny http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2952 penny Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:11:16 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2952 Daniel- The link is in the shownotes for episode #46. Daniel- The link is in the shownotes for episode #46.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2951 Leslie Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:11:48 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2951 Elizabeth - Exactly!! That's what Voldemort didn't realize!! Draco won the wand's allegiance and didn't even realize it! He never even touched the wand. Voldie assumed that Snape was the master because he killed Dumbledore. But wasn't. Snape's death was in vain. Snape was never nor would have been the master of the wand. But as Greg so aptly phrased it - we're hoping for a really cool death scene. I wonder to whom the wand would have given alliance if Draco hadn't disarmed Dumbledore? It would have been unlikely that it would be Snape because Snape didn't defeat Dumbledore - Snape's action was by pre-arrangement. Would the Wand's "power" have come to an end? And Voldie STILL wouldn't be the master of the wand? Elizabeth - Exactly!! That’s what Voldemort didn’t realize!! Draco won the wand’s allegiance and didn’t even realize it! He never even touched the wand. Voldie assumed that Snape was the master because he killed Dumbledore. But wasn’t. Snape’s death was in vain. Snape was never nor would have been the master of the wand. But as Greg so aptly phrased it - we’re hoping for a really cool death scene.

I wonder to whom the wand would have given alliance if Draco hadn’t disarmed Dumbledore? It would have been unlikely that it would be Snape because Snape didn’t defeat Dumbledore - Snape’s action was by pre-arrangement. Would the Wand’s “power” have come to an end? And Voldie STILL wouldn’t be the master of the wand?

]]> By: Daniel Johnson, Jr. http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2950 Daniel Johnson, Jr. Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:23:41 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2950 Can you guys promote the link to the YouTube video of The Prince's Tale to the main part of the shownotes? I don't see it anywhere over here just yet, and I know you mentioned it on the show. Can you guys promote the link to the YouTube video of The Prince’s Tale to the main part of the shownotes? I don’t see it anywhere over here just yet, and I know you mentioned it on the show.

]]> By: Kimba http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2949 Kimba Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:34:05 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2949 Tom didn't think much of expeliarmus I guess - he learned differently! Tom didn’t think much of expeliarmus I guess - he learned differently!

]]> By: Elizabeth Anne http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2948 Elizabeth Anne Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:29:45 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2948 Er -- listen to it. Sorry, so sleepy! Er — listen to it. Sorry, so sleepy!

]]> By: Elizabeth Anne http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2947 Elizabeth Anne Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:29:27 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2947 Leslie -- Voldemort killed Snape because he believed that Snape had conquered Dumbledore. The mistake in that was that Draco conquered Dumbledore by disarming him. My guess is that something that trivial was brushed to the wayside by Voldemort ... he probably considered it a waste of time. Once Harry defeated Draco, the wand switched allegience to him ... whether this was the defeat in the Malfoy Manor or in the Room of Requirement, I'm not sure. Hope that clarifies it! by the way -- great podcast -- just got to read it! Leslie — Voldemort killed Snape because he believed that Snape had conquered Dumbledore. The mistake in that was that Draco conquered Dumbledore by disarming him. My guess is that something that trivial was brushed to the wayside by Voldemort … he probably considered it a waste of time.

Once Harry defeated Draco, the wand switched allegience to him … whether this was the defeat in the Malfoy Manor or in the Room of Requirement, I’m not sure.

Hope that clarifies it!

by the way — great podcast — just got to read it!

]]> By: Greg in Toronto http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2946 Greg in Toronto Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:28:10 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2946 Hey Vicki- here is a link to the HP Lexicon that helps to illuminate some of the differences that Penny was talking about between the U.S. and UK editions... some of the changes are meant for clarification purposes and other is just differences in language and terminology. I think these changes became much less prevalent as the series progressed. http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/cs/differences-cs.html Hey Vicki- here is a link to the HP Lexicon that helps to illuminate some of the differences that Penny was talking about between the U.S. and UK editions… some of the changes are meant for clarification purposes and other is just differences in language and terminology. I think these changes became much less prevalent as the series progressed.

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/cs/differences-cs.html

]]> By: Penny http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2945 Penny Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:42:19 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2945 Vicki- there are no differences in the story line. There are several spelling and capitalization differences (i.e., color vs. colour) and from what I understand it the earlier books a few wording differences since us Americans are just too stupid to know that a jumper is a sweater and a loo is a bathroom (these aren't necessarily the changes that were made, but examples of what they might have been). Go figure. Vicki- there are no differences in the story line. There are several spelling and capitalization differences (i.e., color vs. colour) and from what I understand it the earlier books a few wording differences since us Americans are just too stupid to know that a jumper is a sweater and a loo is a bathroom (these aren’t necessarily the changes that were made, but examples of what they might have been). Go figure.

]]> By: Vicki http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2944 Vicki Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:25:01 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2944 I am sure that this was addressed a LONG time ago but since I am new to the site I ask that you bear with me as I ask, what some of you will think, is a stupid question. Greg, you were reading from the U.K. version of the book...is there a difference in the stories? I knew that there were different versions but have no idea why. Thanks! I am sure that this was addressed a LONG time ago but since I am new to the site I ask that you bear with me as I ask, what some of you will think, is a stupid question. Greg, you were reading from the U.K. version of the book…is there a difference in the stories? I knew that there were different versions but have no idea why. Thanks!

]]> By: Greg http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2943 Greg Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:31:39 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2943 The real reason Voldemort killed Snape with Nagini is because otherwise Snape wouldn't have been able to have the cool death scene that he did. ;) The real reason Voldemort killed Snape with Nagini is because otherwise Snape wouldn’t have been able to have the cool death scene that he did. ;)

]]> By: Leslie http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2942 Leslie Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:58:33 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2942 Essentially Voldie killed Snape because Voldie was...well...an idiot. He thought that to get the wand's allegiance you had to kill the owner. Snape was the master of the wand because Snape killed Dumbledore (never mind the fact that Dumbledore got the wand from defeating Grindelwald but didn't kill Grindelwald - only a minor detail). Ollivander told Voldie that the Wand chooses the wizard. A textbook example of listening without hearing. Even if Snape was the master of the wand, its allegiance wouldn't have switched to Nagini since Voldie directed the attack - not Nagini herself (and the fact that I'm not sure that licking the wand would have had any effect). Essentially Voldie killed Snape because Voldie was…well…an idiot. He thought that to get the wand’s allegiance you had to kill the owner. Snape was the master of the wand because Snape killed Dumbledore (never mind the fact that Dumbledore got the wand from defeating Grindelwald but didn’t kill Grindelwald - only a minor detail).

Ollivander told Voldie that the Wand chooses the wizard. A textbook example of listening without hearing. Even if Snape was the master of the wand, its allegiance wouldn’t have switched to Nagini since Voldie directed the attack - not Nagini herself (and the fact that I’m not sure that licking the wand would have had any effect).

]]> By: Mizz Andy http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2941 Mizz Andy Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:23:06 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2941 Thanks Kimba, I do wonder though that if Nagini held a little bit of VM soul then it did go to Nagini, ahh but then I have just answered my own ?, it went to VM through his soul. Haha at the imagery of Nagini trying to use a wand. Thanks Kimba, I do wonder though that if Nagini held a little bit of VM soul then it did go to Nagini, ahh but then I have just answered my own ?, it went to VM through his soul. Haha at the imagery of Nagini trying to use a wand.

]]> By: Kimba http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2940 Kimba Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:24:05 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2940 Mizz Andy - Nagini was just a tool that Tom used to kill Snape not unlike a sword or a gun so the loyalty would have gone to Tom (had it been Snape's to pass on to him). Snakes can't have wand loyalty probably because they're animals - hell, they can't even hold a wand! lol. I wonder if it is only to wizards that wands give loyalty. If a muggle beat up Draco and took his wand, would the elder wand have been loyal to the muggle even though he wouldn't be able to do magic with it? Mizz Andy - Nagini was just a tool that Tom used to kill Snape not unlike a sword or a gun so the loyalty would have gone to Tom (had it been Snape’s to pass on to him). Snakes can’t have wand loyalty probably because they’re animals - hell, they can’t even hold a wand! lol. I wonder if it is only to wizards that wands give loyalty. If a muggle beat up Draco and took his wand, would the elder wand have been loyal to the muggle even though he wouldn’t be able to do magic with it?

]]> By: Mizz Andy http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2939 Mizz Andy Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:26:12 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2939 I just wanted to ask if VM wanted the Elder Wand how did Nagini killing Snape help, doesn't that just pass the loyalty of the wand to Nagini, or was it because Nagini was a horcrux? I realize that the loyalty actually transfered to Draco but VM didn't know that. I just wanted to ask if VM wanted the Elder Wand how did Nagini killing Snape help, doesn’t that just pass the loyalty of the wand to Nagini, or was it because Nagini was a horcrux? I realize that the loyalty actually transfered to Draco but VM didn’t know that.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2938 Aaron Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:14:05 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2938 I wonder if the manner of which these characters died had any meaning. Voldemort seems to not kill as much personally unless angered as when he found out about Gringotts being robbed. A good example of his lack of self control. When he himself chooses to kill he almost considers it an honor to be worth his time. Now he ordered Nagini to kill Snape was this because he din't want to see it happen or that Snape was not worthy of his effort? Snape was killed by a snake. One letter difference in the name. Was he a snake of a character? My rhetoric has become tiresome, Now is the time on sprokets when we dance! I wonder if the manner of which these characters died had any meaning. Voldemort seems to not kill as much personally unless angered as when he found out about Gringotts being robbed. A good example of his lack of self control. When he himself chooses to kill he almost considers it an honor to be worth his time. Now he ordered Nagini to kill Snape was this because he din’t want to see it happen or that Snape was not worthy of his effort? Snape was killed by a snake. One letter difference in the name. Was he a snake of a character? My rhetoric has become tiresome, Now is the time on sprokets when we dance!

]]> By: Kimba http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2937 Kimba Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:40:30 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2937 I agree with you too Megan and also, if he truly loved Lilly, he should have realized how much her son meant to her and treated him accordingly. He is truly one of the most interesting characters in the HP books and maybe in literature altogether. He reminds me of Sydney Carton from A Tale of Two Cities - deeply in love, tragically flawed, and doomed. Snape didn't reach his level of ultimate self-sacrifice though. I agree with you too Megan and also, if he truly loved Lilly, he should have realized how much her son meant to her and treated him accordingly. He is truly one of the most interesting characters in the HP books and maybe in literature altogether. He reminds me of Sydney Carton from A Tale of Two Cities - deeply in love, tragically flawed, and doomed. Snape didn’t reach his level of ultimate self-sacrifice though.

]]> By: Greg in Toronto http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2935 Greg in Toronto Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:07:19 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2935 Megan, I agree with you 100%!! Thank you! Megan, I agree with you 100%!! Thank you!

]]> By: Megan http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2934 Megan Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:26:47 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2934 I just wanted to say, I think what Snape did in the end was tragic and heroic but to me the thing that will always remind me of how much of a git he really was, was when he came to Dumbledore to ask him to save Lily and Dumbledore says: "Could you not ask for mercy for the mother in exchange for the son?" and Snape responds with, "I have, I have asked him." Now I know after Lily actually died and he started working for Dumbledore he began to change as a person, but the fact that he would have once killed a child, a baby, for such a selfish reason as to just have what he always wanted (lily) says a lot about who Snape is as a person. This doesnt mean however I dont love Snape's character in the story. He did turn out to be one of the most interesting characters in the book. But I dont absolutly love him now that I know he was just in love with a girl and that is why he did what he did. When it comes down to it, if Snape loved Lily as much as he thought he did, he would have chosen her over being a Death Eater. It's as simple as that. In the end he made up for his bad choices by spending the rest of his life trying to make amends. He should be admired for being able to admit his mistakes and making up for them, but not for going to the bad side and then running back to the good when things didnt go his way. I just wanted to say, I think what Snape did in the end was tragic and heroic but to me the thing that will always remind me of how much of a git he really was, was when he came to Dumbledore to ask him to save Lily and Dumbledore says:

“Could you not ask for mercy for the mother in exchange for the son?” and Snape responds with, “I have, I have asked him.”

Now I know after Lily actually died and he started working for Dumbledore he began to change as a person, but the fact that he would have once killed a child, a baby, for such a selfish reason as to just have what he always wanted (lily) says a lot about who Snape is as a person.

This doesnt mean however I dont love Snape’s character in the story. He did turn out to be one of the most interesting characters in the book. But I dont absolutly love him now that I know he was just in love with a girl and that is why he did what he did. When it comes down to it, if Snape loved Lily as much as he thought he did, he would have chosen her over being a Death Eater. It’s as simple as that. In the end he made up for his bad choices by spending the rest of his life trying to make amends. He should be admired for being able to admit his mistakes and making up for them, but not for going to the bad side and then running back to the good when things didnt go his way.

]]> By: Kimba http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2933 Kimba Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:50:16 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2933 I agree with you Michal - that they have the self-preservation thing and quite a few are obviously deatheaters' kids but I was just hoping some would rise above all that and follow their consciences. Oh well. I'm glad she created Slughorn at any rate. Even though he had his obnoxious tendencies he was basically good-hearted. I agree with you Michal - that they have the self-preservation thing and quite a few are obviously deatheaters’ kids but I was just hoping some would rise above all that and follow their consciences. Oh well. I’m glad she created Slughorn at any rate. Even though he had his obnoxious tendencies he was basically good-hearted.

]]> By: Frances http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2932 Frances Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:24:31 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2932 NOT COMMENTING ON THE PODCAST TODAY BUT I HAVE A RANDOM FACT! Mississippi (my state) Is the fattest and poorest state in america! Uh-oh. Well, down in the Deep South you get fat on fried chicken, ocra, gravey, yummy. But whatever. I know it's true. Oh well. MAYBE we'll all go on the Weight Watchers diet. But, I doubt it. SIGH. NOT COMMENTING ON THE PODCAST TODAY BUT I HAVE A RANDOM FACT!

Mississippi (my state) Is the fattest and poorest state in america! Uh-oh. Well, down in the Deep South you get fat on fried chicken, ocra, gravey, yummy. But whatever. I know it’s true. Oh well. MAYBE we’ll all go on the Weight Watchers diet. But, I doubt it. SIGH.

]]> By: Michal http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2931 Michal Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:51:41 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2931 Mizz Andy- Yay, we agree!! Mizz Andy- Yay, we agree!!

]]> By: Mizz Andy http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2930 Mizz Andy Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:35:05 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2930 I agree with Michal, I would think there would be quite a few children of Death Eaters within Slytherin. We do know that a couple return but they were there to fight with VM, ie. Crabbe and Goyle, I won't include Draco because he turned into a dithering idiot and was no help to anyone. I think a lot of Slytherins would have been brought up believing in Pure Blood families so would see that VM was doing nothing wrong. Goes into the whole Nature vs Nuture debate really. I agree with Michal, I would think there would be quite a few children of Death Eaters within Slytherin. We do know that a couple return but they were there to fight with VM, ie. Crabbe and Goyle, I won’t include Draco because he turned into a dithering idiot and was no help to anyone. I think a lot of Slytherins would have been brought up believing in Pure Blood families so would see that VM was doing nothing wrong. Goes into the whole Nature vs Nuture debate really.

]]> By: Michal http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2929 Michal Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:59:16 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/08/23/episode-47-the-princes-tale-the-tao-of-snape/#comment-2929 Well, I think a major characteristic of Slytherin House is self-preservation. While I wish more students had stayed as well, I guess it makes sense that they would leave. The odds were against the Hogwarts side, and many of them probably had relatives with ties to Voldemort-- if they had been discovered fighting against him, their entire families could have been in danger. Well, I think a major characteristic of Slytherin House is self-preservation. While I wish more students had stayed as well, I guess it makes sense that they would leave. The odds were against the Hogwarts side, and many of them probably had relatives with ties to Voldemort– if they had been discovered fighting against him, their entire families could have been in danger.

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