Episode #36: What’s in a Name (or a Title)?
We were all quite excited when the title for Book 7 was announced. The initial reaction (Whoah!), was followed by questions (Huh?). What is the meaning of “Deathly Hallows?” Many have speculated as to what it all means, we’ve proffered our theory as well.
In this episode, we discuss some new possibilities based on some of the foreign title translations of Deathly Hallows.
We also recapped our Knight Bus experience. Try not to laugh at our extreme lameness.
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And in the news:
- JK Rowling to tour the US in October. Remember my birthday.
- Many Hispanic countries change OoTP release date to July 11.
- JK Rowling, Daniel Radcliffe,and Emma Watson land on Forbes Magazine’s annual “Celebrity 100″ list.
- Canadian fans to have a special OoTP special.
- You can take a virtual tour of 12 Grimmauld Place.
- Computer Hacker in UK announced what he claims is the ending to Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (remember, NO spoilers allowed!!).
You can listen to the show using the player below, or download an mp3 directly.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:12 am
I’ve read the “hacker’s” “spoiler” and I will bet you a anything it’s fake. I mean it doesn’t even make sense.. The Dumbledore dieing spoiler made sense.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:16 am
I really really have to stress that the spoiler looks fake. The grammar is horrible and there are no excerpts unlike the dumbledore one.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:18 am
I am glad it looks fake, Angie. Thanks for not writing any specifics. Everyone else- once again I am going to urge you NOT to write any details if you’ve read anything (that includes Greg who read it this morning by mistake).
June 21st, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Just went on a free translating site (Which may or may not be completely accurate) and so I translated Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows into Italian and back, with the English ending as “To plunder the Potter and the Dead one sanctifies.” Any thoughts?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:51 pm
I didn’t read the excerpts, I did accidentally click on a link which I thought was a news item, but in fact was the page with the spoilers itself. All I saw was one line which was enough for me to shut my window immediately.
Also, HPProgs has been getting a nice influx of traffic, because our Top 10 list is coming up in search results a lot now that folks are looking for the spoilers. One of the search queries in our log was a search with the spoiler in it.
I don’t think it is accurate.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:50 pm
No one should put that fau-oiler (faux and spoiler combined) on their site just give that facker (Faux Hacker) the attention he wants.
As for the Deathly Hallows translations, I’ve always thought it had to do something with the horcruxes because one of the definitions for Hallows was relics of saints. When I think of Saint Relics I think of like Bone fragments or shrouds. That sort of fits with the items from the Founders becoming horcruxes. I was surprised when the translations of the Title had relic in them. I know that seems obvious but all the other title’s meanings were obvious after you read them.
June 21st, 2007 at 2:43 pm
I ( thankfully ) did not read the spoiler, and if anyone posts a spoiler on here, then you might learn somthing you don’t want to learn, if you know what I mean.
June 21st, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Hey G&P love the podcast. I do like the direction that the titles are going. It helps to backup my personal theory which is off the horocrux’s and the gleam in Dumbldore’s eye. I think that in attempting to destroy the horcurux’s Harry will find a way to return the broken parts of Voldy’s soul to his original body, which now has Harry’s blood, which the old parts of his sould can’t stand. I think the Love in his current body will kill all of his previous souls parts. Just my thought. Plus I’m glad this was just some nut job trying to be funny with spoilers, but with a month left its only going to get worse. and in your positions I can only hope that you don’t get the story spoiled for you.
June 21st, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Ok I was laughing about Greg (accidentally going to the spoiler site) Then I also made the same mistake. (sorry Greg) All I can say is that there are much better and much more intelligent endings offered right here. This is just an attempt to spoof obviously by someone who didn’t even read the books. The real issue is that the publicity and web traffic generated by this unimaginative attempt to frustrate all HP fans may well spark a series of copycat false spoilers in an attempt to generate web traffic. The good part may well be that if there is ever a genuine spoiler it will be mask by these sad people attempting to get there jollies at others expense. Thus in an attempt to ruin the books ending this sad fellow may well have destroyed the creditability of any spoiler and help our cause. I’m not to sure why it is even being given any attention as I said there are much much better and more fun ideas right here.
June 21st, 2007 at 8:54 pm
I have a couple good reasons why Snape is on Dumbledores side. Just before Snape killed Dumbledore the book said. “Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and their was revoltion and hatred edged in the harsh lines of his face”. I think the revoltion was for what Dumbledore was making him do. As for the hatred, you have to feel hate when using the unforgivables. When Harry chaste Snape, one of the death eaters cursed Harry, Snape stopped him from doing so. Don’t you think Snape wood have taken Harry directly to Voldemort? What do you all think?
June 21st, 2007 at 10:30 pm
I feel like such a bad harry potter fan for going to that website. But i hope one thing is true because it was one of my theories. If t’s true which i dont think it is) I feel so cool for being right!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:43 pm
I’ve thought Deathly Hallows meant Deathly Horcruxes since the day the title was released and I read an article on the four hallows of the Arthurian legend: sword, chalice(cup), spear(or wand), and pentacle(locket). I’m pretty sure the Arthurian legend is the only work you can find the actual word “hallows” used throughout history. I’m 99.9% surer this is where Joe got her idea for the hogwarts founders relics being used as horcruxes.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:19 am
Curiosity killed the cat! I read it but it seems fake. And about the title I think it means something about the horcruxes.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:54 am
I have come up with a quiz for everyone to try. Every day starting now I will post one question from each of the books. I have read the books many times and think I have come up with the hardest ones. Book 1: What was the name of uncle Vernons work?
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:16 am
Grunnings, acompany that makes drills and nasty employees.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 am
Mr. Dursley was the director of a firm called Grunnings, which made drills.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 am
Didnt know if u knew this but
because “Deathly Hallows” is to hard to translate
the swedish publisher asked JKR to come up with a different title
which is
“Harry Potter and the Relics of Death”
i think this conforms the theory that “the deathly hallows” are the horcruxes
Sam
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June 22nd, 2007 at 9:40 am
oops
i made a comment before i saw the writing under the title
quick delete my comment b4 i ruin the podcast
Sam
: ?
p.s sorry
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 am
Ha! looks like your gonna need a harder question P#1Fan! How bout what is the thread count for the Sheets on Harry’s bed while he lived under the stairs? Looks like everyone is coming to the same conclusions about Snape and Horecruxes. Now that we are into the last month of the countdown it seems everyone thinks Harry will live and Snape is good. Trying to stay fresh I will stick to the cover art and the clues I believe the pictures give us. Harry is wearing the locket in the regular unleaded cover. Standing side by side with the big V both with hands outstretched. I believe this to be the aftermath of a prioie incantaum. (gotta love my spelling) this time the fusian of brother wand running it’s course and flying out of there hands. The necklace is missing in the delux cover making me think he had a use for it. The robes of Hermine and Ron I believe are those of prefects showing they at least return to hogwarts before rejoining Harry in his quest. They say a picture says a thousand words.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 am
Wow Jake i never knew about the Arthurian legend… but that makes sense… so wait… that must be where all the people who feel that Olivander was kidnapped because of the wand that was in his store window. People think its of Ravenclaw… wow…that would make perfect sense. And the fact that we do see sword on the cover…hmmm
things to make you ponder…
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Here’s a tie-in to Authurian legend…
Tarot Decks!
I read once that JKR used the four elements for the four houses as such:
Air is Ravenclaw (which is the element of intellect and in some tarot decks the suit is Wands, in others it is Swords) The direction is East.
Fire is Griffindor (which is the element of courage & will, and in some tarot decks the suit is Swords, in others it is Wands) The direction is South.
Water is Slytherin (which is emotions, and in all decks the suit is cups) The direction is West.
Earth is Hufflepuff (which is the element of material manifestation, and the suit is pentacles or coins).
This all may sound quite confusing, but it seems as if Jo switched the suits around by assigning Hufflepuff a cup, Slytherin a locket (pentacle), Griffindor a sword and Ravenclaw a wand. Couldn’t say what that means, but the point is all four elements and their correspondences are there.
G & P, I am very grateful for your spoiler policy, and am now limiting myself only to those sites who are strict about it. Of course, we all want to find out for ourselves and then talk about it all endlessly in the months to come!
As for Relics of Death, I can’t seem to work it out to be anything but the Horcruxes, as well.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Jake — I like your thinking and as Amanda pointed out that could be right because of the fact that Olivander is missing and he remembers every wand he ever made/sold.
Greg and Penny — I teach freshman so as long as you don’t start talking in text message shorthand you are fine. Also, I’m not in my teaching mode when I listen (or post, so forgive any typos). I do understand what your saying, though, and that is precisely why I don’t have any friends who are psychiatrists. ; )
I have noticed you’ve been working on eliminating your “you knows.” Good job ~ Keep up the good work!
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:31 pm
See it should be “you’re saying”! English teachers are human, too! and I read though that post four times! UUUGGGHHH!
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:44 pm
You guys are so wrong on your thery for Deathly Hallows. Deathly HALLOWS. All Hallows Eve. All SOULS eve. Translated, the title means, “The Deathly Souls.” When you read the book and find out that I was right, remember this. Thank you very much!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Ginny that is not the definition of hallow. Wikipedia defines Hallow as
“Hallow is a word usually used as a verb, meaning “to make holy or sacred, to sanctify or consecrate, to venerate”.[1] The adjective form hallowed, as used in The Lord’s Prayer, means holy, consecrated, sacred, or revered.[2]”
Hallows can also refer to saints, the relics (including remains) of the saints, the relics of gods, or shrines in which relics are kept.[5][6] Since the essence of these saints or gods were often considered present at their shrines and in their relics, hallows came to refer to the saints or gods themselves, rather than just their relics or shrines. Because of these various usage possibilities, the hallowed (sacred) hallows (relics) of a hallowed (holy) hallow (saint) might be hallowed (venerated) in a hallowed (consecrated) hallow (shrine).
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:42 pm
I dunno after arguing this title for a while now I have come to the conclusion that I just don’t know.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Aaron, I beat you to that conclusion by about 2 months
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Try this one book 2: What kind of Car did Mr. Weezly own?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:19 am
A turquise Ford Anglia
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 am
First put this into Word then you can read it better.
In response to the whole Arthurian Legend and the Elements comments made by Jake and Tani, thank you for the inspiration.
Sorry again for the essay but I am about to do what no Harry Potter fan has been able to delve into deep enough.
Personally, I am amazed at how JKR has sent this up, and has done so since the beginning of Book 1.
You’ll understand when you have finished reading this.
Epilogue!
The Dirge of the Four Cities
“There are 4 cities that no mortal eye has seen, but that the soul knows.”
Dirge- A dirge is a somber song expressing mourning or grief, such as would be appropriate for performance at a funeral. The English word “dirge” is derived from the Latin Dirige meaning Direct, the first word of the first antiphon in the Matins of the Office for the Dead.
Begin!
The Hallows across numerous legends are seen to represent the royal regalia carried by the King/Queen, or objects sought by a Grail Quester in both ancient and modern times.
The earliest recollection of the 4 hallows were believed to be people that brought sacred treasures from an island near Greece, to Ireland, from the Otherworld.
8. Four gifts with them (brought) from afar,
by the nobles of the Tuatha Dé Danann:
A sword, a stone, a shapely cauldron,
a spear for facing tall champions.
9. Lia Fáil from Falias hither,
which used to roar under the king of Ireland;
The sword of the hand of Lugh the active,
From Gorias-choicest of great store.
10. From Finias far over the sea
was brought the spear of Lugh who was not weak;
From Murias, great prodigious gift
the caldron of the Daghdha of Lofty deeds.
These were said to be four treasures:
1. Spear Luin/Shining Spear of Lugh (from Finias), Spear of Combat/providing victory in any fight;
2. Claiomh Solias/Sword of Nuadu (from Gorias), Sword of Light/impossible to avoid being struck and wounded by its contact;
3. Coire Anseasc/Cauldron of Dagda (from Murias), Undry Cauldron/of plenty;
4. Lia Fail/Stone of Fal (from Falias), Stone of Destiny/kings were crowned on this.
1. Lugh is the Celtic lord of every skill. He and his nature goddess consort (Rosmerta) were worshipped during the 30 day Lugnasad midsummer feast in Ireland. His animal attributes were the raven and the lynx. Lugh mirrors the Roman God Mercury, the swift messenger. Originative of the word ‘London’.
2. In Wales as Nudd or Lludd Llaw Ereint (the Silver-Handed) and in Ireland as Nuadu - was the Celtic God of Healing. He was sometimes identified with the protective Mars or the regenerative Silvanus and his companion and symbol was the dog. At one time, Nodens/Nuada was the leader of the gods, but he was wounded in battle and lost his hand. Gofannon, the divine-smith, made him a new one out of Silver.
Later, Nodens was troubled by a constant scream that was heard the eve of every Beltane. He traveled to Gaul, where his brother, Llefelys, lived to ask his advice. He explained that the cry was made by two fighting dragons. Nodens managed to capture the creatures and imprisoned them deep below Dinas Emrys in Gwynedd.
3. The Irish-Celtic god of the earth and treaties, and ruler over life and death. Dagda, or The Dagda, (”the good god”) is one of the most prominent gods and the leader of the Tuatha Dé Danann. He is a master of magic, a fearsome warrior and a skilled artisan. The Dagda is portrayed as possessing both super- human strength and appetite. His attributes are a cauldron with an inexhaustible supply of food and restore life.
One of his epithets is Ollathir, which means “All-father”.
4. Fal- only called this in link to the place Falias, not a person.
The 4 hallows were brought by a person from each city:
4. Four cities, justly famous,
They occupied in sway with great power,
Where they used to wage war ingeniously
For learning (and) for exact knowledge.
5. Falias and Gorias bright,
Finias (and) Murias of great deeds,
to blazon their sallies abroad
(And) the names of the great cities.
6. Morias and Euras high-placed,
Arias (and) Semias austere;
their naming is profitable discourse,
of the names of the sages of the noble gain.
7. Morias the sage of Falias itself,
Euras in Gorias, of good disposition,
Semias in Murias, the western stronghold,
Arias fair, sage of Finias.
The 4 Guardians of the Hallows;
1. Arias (Uiscias as known in other texts) of Finias, guardian of the spear;
2. Euras (Esras as known in other texts) of Gorias, guardian of the sword;
3. Semias of Murias, guardian of the cauldron;
4. Morias (Morfressa as known in other texts) of Falias, guardian of the stone.
As you can see this completely fits with the items of the 4 founders of Hogwarts.
1. The Sword/Dagger- Godric Gryffindor;
2. The Spear/Wand/Baton- Rowena Ravenclaw;
3. The Cup/Cauldron- Helga Hufflepuff;
4. The Pentacle/Coin/Stone- Salazar Slytherin.
The Horcruxes Location & The Dirge of the 4 Cities,
Is a collection of poems about the 4 cities (Finias, Falias, Gorias and Murias).
To understand what I am about to go on about go to,
http://www.sundown.pair.com/SundownShores/Volume_VII/dirge.htm
, to read along with me.
The poems give you the following information;
Gorias/Godrics Hollow
Location-East (Gorias, that is in the east)
Godrics Hollow-Godric’s Hollow/Hallow how simplistic. Also Hagrid flew over Bristol in Book 1 suggesting he came from the west either from Wales or Ireland. Also the 2 dragons that Nuadu can hear, every Beltane, in Wales, obviously links to Harry.
Element-Wind (Wind comes from the spring star in the East)
House-Gryffindor (Sword of Nuadu, Nuadu had a hell hound/lion as a companion)
When-Spring, Morning [(Wind comes from the spring star in the East) and (Does Gorias know the dawn?)
Horcrux (if there is one)-Not the Sword (There the reaper gleans)
Other-There’s a Dragon
Antipodean Opaleye/USA Deluxe Edition-
2. There the reaper gleans
Vast opals of white air:
The dawn leans
Upon emerald there:
Out of the dust of kings
The sunrise lifts a cloud of shimmering wings.
UK Children Front Cover-
1. In Gorias are gems,
And pale gold,
Shining diadems
Gathered of old…
Harry’s Birthplace-
3. In Gorias of the East
My love was born…
Lily and James Death-
4. Have I once heard the least,
But the least breath, again?
Finias/Gringotts
Location-South (and Finias, that is in the south)
London- The Spear of Lugh, as Lugh is a derivative of London, as London/Lughdon (loog-don) was the ceremonial centre of the deity)
Gringotts- Underground (In the torch-lit city, these are the torches ablaze on the walls)
Dragons (And ever louder and louder the flame-white laughter of Arias streamed.)
Element-Fire (fire from the summer star in the South)
House-Ravenclaw (Does the eagle pass?)
When-Summer, Twilight [(fire from the summer star in the South) and (Fill the twilights of Finias)]
Horcrux-Spear/Wand (lift not the dreadful Spear)
Other- The Spear that divideth the heart is held in a brazen (brass) mouth. Now I am stricken . . . now I am here!
-Rowena and Helga were at one time close friends; the Sorting Hat tells us that their friendship failed.
In Celtic Mythology the 2 Hallows of the cauldron and the spear are said to be inseparable, as the French Wikipedia states, “il faut qu’elle y soit plongée pour éviter qu’elle ne détruise tout autour d’elle” meaning “it is necessary that it be plunged to avoid destroying all around her”.
Does this mean the Rowena’s wand is inside Helga’s cup, and that both are at Gringotts?
What if the Cup is not the Horcrux but the Wand inside it is?
Murias/The Cave
This place becomes automatic ruled out of the question as the poem states as a sunken water city. This is the cave from where Harry and Dumbledore retrieved the fake Horcrux. JKR switched the places of the cup and locket as the cup is said to the element of water and the locket of air. But read it anyway it possesses some weird information possible to do with the soul and Horcruxes.
Falias/Hogwarts
Location- North (and Falias that is in the, north)
Hogwarts- It describes a castle like city (Or, ‘mid the pinnacles and still snows of the Silence of Falias, etc). This imagery sounds a lot like the depiction on the back of the UK children’s cover.
Element- Earth but the poem states “wisdom, silence and death from the star in the North.”
House- Was Hufflepuff but switched to Slytherin as it is the place of Salazar’s Chamber of Secrets?
When-Anytime of Year/Winter, Morning
The poem continually talks about snow and ice depicting it some in the north and Hogwarts is snowy during Winter, but because of the rises in Dementor numbers could create this icy eeriness making it ant time of year.
Horcrux-Could be the Cup/Cauldron but unsure (read Rowena and Helga) or maybe something else.
The Cup- A poem on the same website (http://www.sundown.pair.com/SundownShores/HillsofDream/closingdoor.htm#THE%20CUP) states the Cup to be in Scotland “This cup where the wild thistles grow”.
Other-Taking Hogwarts to be Falias in the poem it seems to sound empty but we see on the back cover that the lights are on.
Well there we are,
Wot do u thnk?
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Sam, UK
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June 23rd, 2007 at 8:15 am
Sorry i didnt make it clear that JKR switched the placings of Gorias and Murias so Gorias is in the West and Murias in the East.
But switched the horcrux placings of the locket and the cup.
Placing the locket in the east and the cup in the north.
ops
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June 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 am
Geez.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 am
wot?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Hey Greg and Penny! I have been listening since Episode 24 but have been to shy/busy to comment! I linked to you with my blog Salazar’s Locket and I would like to ask you a question. After Prophecy 2007, could you post some of your tips on the blog for those who couldn’t make it? Thanks a lot!
PLEASE INCLUDETHIS IN EPISODE #35 BECAUSE I HINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE INTERESTED!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:47 pm
I really enjoyed the podcast!
The Knight Bus story was great, that sounds like something I would do.
I enjoyed the discussion of the various translations, but I wonder if the “secret treasure” is just one of those silly translation things. I mean, it’s the closest thing in English to what the Japanese word means, but it’s not really exactly what it means, if that makes any sense. Or maybe they just don’t “do” relics in Japan. Relics are really more of a Christian thing, aren’t they?
I’m afraid to read comments anymore, in case there are spoilers. Do you delete comments containing spoilers? But even if you do, I won’t know if you’ll get there before I do and there could be a comment up for half a day with a spoiler until you see it and delete it. So I’ll either stop commenting or comment w/o reading the other comments. Sorry.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:26 pm
I just wonder if ‘deathly hallows’ means horcruxes, because I study religion at school and we were doing Celtic, and the Celts had a festival called the ‘Hallows’ Where th dead pass back through the vail connecting the two worlds (Celts believed there were two worlds and souls just sort of interchanged between them). So maybe these are the voices in the vail. And if we are talking about horcruxes, and g+p did a cast called ‘how to kill a horcrux’ or something, well I think you have to kill a horcrux ironically. With its own curse i.e basilisks fang? I’m not sure where I’m going with that. Remember, I am not writing this at the time it says I am writing this.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Hey its noon here. Sorry I just find that kind of fascinating.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:52 pm
I’m sorry to write so many comment but i tried the babelfish thing and got some starnge results, which will probebly not be the actual titles but here goes.
spanish: harry potter and the mortal sanctifies
german: press toepfer and the dead sanctify
korean: The nautical mile potter and fatality do to do the new star
greek: potter Harry and funereal hallows
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Sally- Hey, what’s it like in the future?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 pm
Well I am as curious as they get, but let me say this. I read the so called spoilers. They didn’t make any sense at all. In my opinion it will just backfire on this so called hacker because it will just make everyone even more curious as to what is really going to happen. Any harm this person hoped to do just went up like Filibusters fireworks. Shall we all get out Professor Umbridges special quill and have them write “I SHALL NOT TELL LIES!!!”
June 24th, 2007 at 12:26 am
Funny, but the Korean translation for the title is
“Harry Potter and the Saints of Death”(Harry Potter-wa-juk-um-oui-sung-do-dul) The translation mentions no “relics” or “treasures”. So, does it mean that the relic/treasure, aka the horcrux(es), is a person???
June 24th, 2007 at 9:58 am
ah, sorry, but the german title of book 7 has not been released so far…
dunno where you got that information from
June 24th, 2007 at 11:52 am
Why is my comment waiting moderation?
Wots that mean?
*confusion*
People can you see the really really long comment i left June 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 am!
The one bout the position of the horcruxs and the dirge of the 4 cities etc
The extremly long comment!
nebody?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
All: check out my latest post about our non-spoiler and comment moderation policy until after Book 7: http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/06/24/comments-are-moderated/
June 25th, 2007 at 12:53 am
hi penny well in the future it is cold and raining and snowy. aurgh
June 25th, 2007 at 6:30 am
Momantai . .
I think you’re analysis is the most complete and logical considering Jo’s literary background - The symbology makes complete sense and whilst it doesn’t exactly determine the plot, it certainly explains what is a likely reference for the house relics/horcruxi in the story and to thier possible positions - Jo seems to have taken some liberties, but I think you have identified the underlying myth to the series . . .
Nice bit o’ research there . . . mad crazy props!
June 25th, 2007 at 6:58 am
Case in point, Momantai references:
“In Wales as Nudd or Lludd Llaw Ereint (the Silver-Handed) and in Ireland as Nuadu - was the Celtic God of Healing. He was sometimes identified with the protective Mars or the regenerative Silvanus and his companion and symbol was the dog. At one time, Nodens/Nuada was the leader of the gods, but he was wounded in battle and lost his hand. Gofannon, the divine-smith, made him a new one out of Silver.”
Now here we have references to Sirius and Wormtail do we not?
Fantastic bit of research here - so good it may be considered a spoiler if you puzzle out the possible ways Jo has “ammended” the legend . . . This is almost as deep as LOR. Again, MAD MAD CRAZY PROPS to Momantai!
June 25th, 2007 at 8:12 am
eberyone try this one! When all the houses habe to sleep in the great hall, what kind of sleepingbags does Dumbledore conjer?
June 25th, 2007 at 9:32 am
Squashy purple ones
June 25th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Man you all are good! What book did Nevel have that wood have helped Harry in the lake?
June 25th, 2007 at 11:27 am
I’m sorry I ment, What was the title?
June 25th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Momantai, excellent work! It’s going to take me a bit to really puzzled out all of the information you provided, surely!
I think the agreement here is that the conclusion of Harry’s journey is a reflection of very old stories and myth, and soundly based on the deeper “magic” of the past.
What - 25 more days until our questions are answered???!!!
And - thank you so much Greg & Penny for taking the trouble to moderate this forum. I feel very safe and free to converse!!
June 25th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Momantai (Sam)- I apologize for not commenting on that brilliant piece of work you offered- for some reason even before we put the comments up for moderation, that comment wasn’t being posted and it took a bit to see. Once I did see it, I wasn’t in th right frame of mind to actually really read it.
Now that I’ve read it, I am floored by the amount of research you put into it and the completeness of the research. I wouldn’t put it past JKR to have thought along the same lines as you and won’t be surprised when we do see that wand, etc.
All I can say is, Wow.
June 25th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Potters- Magical Water Plants of the Mediterranian? Something like that.
June 25th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
thnk you very much penny
and every1 else who commented on my lifes work
lol
I did find more parrallels from roman and more celtic mythology but thought it betta not to add those with ur no spoiler policy
as i wudn’t dream of ruinin everybody elses ideas and theorys no mata how wackily wonderful and prognostilious, and due to that i probably wud have rambled on for another 6 pages and ud all be brain dead by the end
lmao
25 days to go
and you will lose………………(long dramatic pause)……………….everything
ps, wots “MAD CRAZY PROPS” mean?
*luks extremly puzzled and confused*
June 25th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Right on the money! o.k try this one! What was Dumbledores full name?
June 25th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Albus Brian Percival Wolfric Dumbledore. Or some mix of all that. Best name ever!
June 25th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Momentai
Mad crazy props -> job well done.
June 26th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Dumbledore.
June 27th, 2007 at 6:53 am
Albus Percival Wolfric Brian Dumbledore