Comments on: Episode #31: Snape Revisted http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/ If you thought Harry Potter was just for kids, think again! Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:37:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: navanshu http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1370 navanshu Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:15:52 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1370 severus snape rocks................. he is the most influential character of all times in any form of movie or novel. hats off 2 jkr. snape's loyality towards dumbeldore nd his firm faith over snape is backbone of whole harry potter series.And ron nd hermione is best couple ever. sumtimes i wonder what lies in jkr's mind having created such an epic. harry is ofcourse hero severus snape rocks…………….. he is the most influential character of all times in any form of movie or novel. hats off 2 jkr. snape’s loyality towards dumbeldore nd his firm faith over snape is backbone of whole harry potter series.And ron nd hermione is best couple ever. sumtimes i wonder what lies in jkr’s mind having created such an epic. harry is ofcourse hero

]]> By: Megan http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1368 Megan Wed, 30 May 2007 17:14:15 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1368 Ok, I know this is a little late, but I discovered podcasts about a month ago and have only just now gotten to this ep. I definitely have to agree with Penny here. Snape is good. Not to say that he is a saint, or even a particular nice person, but he is on the side of good. I don't think this is a black and white view either: he is gray because he is NOT a nice person but is still working for the good side. I agree with Maya who said that we already have Peter Pettigrew as the save-his-own-skin-at-any-cost character. It seems to me that having Snape be the same would be a little redundant and not make much sense. I think it is Snape's role as a character to redeem himself. I don't think he will be a martyr though... It just seems a little out of his character to me... I'd also like to point out that the whole Snape saving Harry from Quirrel thing (which is one of many reasons why I think Snape is good) can also be used to show that he is not just out for himself. The argument that I constantly use is this: Dumbledore did not know that Quirrel was jinxing Harry. Therefor, he could not possibly expect Snape to know this and save him. If Snape had chosen to just let Quirrel finish Harry, it's not like DD would have been angry at/suspicious of him as Snape seems to imply to Bella in SE. I don't see any motivation for this action other than the fact that he is truly on the "good" side. Ok, I know this is a little late, but I discovered podcasts about a month ago and have only just now gotten to this ep.

I definitely have to agree with Penny here. Snape is good. Not to say that he is a saint, or even a particular nice person, but he is on the side of good. I don’t think this is a black and white view either: he is gray because he is NOT a nice person but is still working for the good side.

I agree with Maya who said that we already have Peter Pettigrew as the save-his-own-skin-at-any-cost character. It seems to me that having Snape be the same would be a little redundant and not make much sense. I think it is Snape’s role as a character to redeem himself. I don’t think he will be a martyr though… It just seems a little out of his character to me…

I’d also like to point out that the whole Snape saving Harry from Quirrel thing (which is one of many reasons why I think Snape is good) can also be used to show that he is not just out for himself. The argument that I constantly use is this: Dumbledore did not know that Quirrel was jinxing Harry. Therefor, he could not possibly expect Snape to know this and save him. If Snape had chosen to just let Quirrel finish Harry, it’s not like DD would have been angry at/suspicious of him as Snape seems to imply to Bella in SE. I don’t see any motivation for this action other than the fact that he is truly on the “good” side.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1367 Aaron Wed, 16 May 2007 00:10:16 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1367 Way to go!!!!! Becky Rules! Way to go!!!!! Becky Rules!

]]> By: Becky http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1366 Becky Sat, 12 May 2007 13:09:30 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1366 I ultimately think Snape is good. One thing I've been pondering on is this ... J.K. Rowling said that it was not a coincidence, in regard to real world Muggle events, that Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald in 1945. One major componet for the British during World War II was the double cross system with spies that I could see J.K. Rowling has used as a model for Snape's character, if he is good (or even if he is bad). By sometime in 1940, I believe, all of the Axis spies in Britain had been caught. The British were able to turn most of them, at least the ones they decided not to imprison or execute, into spies for the Allies. Yet, they would still be acting as spies for Nazi Germany. So the Allies would have them tell somewhat accurate information, but since it wasn't all accurate, it was a form of misinformation, with some of it being right for them to be credible but not enough so the Germans didn't know exactly what was going on. The Double Cross System's biggest success was in all of the pre-planning for the D-Day invasion keeping the Germans guessing on where, when the attack would take place, all the while knowing for the most part that something was going to take place. I could see how Snape had been a Deatheater and either something made him want to go against them and turn to the Ootp, or he had been "caught" and turned in exchange for not going to Azkaban, etc. Either way, though, he still acts as a spy, if you want to call it, for the Deatheaters, but then is giving them misinformation, so to speak. I hope this makes some bit of sense. I don't know if I would have ever thought about it in those terms or context if Rowling hadn't made that comment that it had not been a coincidence that Grindelwald had been defeated in 1945. I ultimately think Snape is good.

One thing I’ve been pondering on is this … J.K. Rowling said that it was not a coincidence, in regard to real world Muggle events, that Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald in 1945.

One major componet for the British during World War II was the double cross system with spies that I could see J.K. Rowling has used as a model for Snape’s character, if he is good (or even if he is bad).

By sometime in 1940, I believe, all of the Axis spies in Britain had been caught.
The British were able to turn most of them, at least the ones they decided not to imprison or execute, into spies for the Allies. Yet, they would still be acting as spies for Nazi Germany. So the Allies would have them tell somewhat accurate information, but since it wasn’t all accurate, it was a form of misinformation, with some of it being right for them to be credible but not enough so the Germans didn’t know exactly what was going on. The Double Cross System’s biggest success was in all of the pre-planning for the D-Day invasion keeping the Germans guessing on where, when the attack would take place, all the while knowing for the most part that something was going to take place.

I could see how Snape had been a Deatheater and either something made him want to go against them and turn to the Ootp, or he had been “caught” and turned in exchange for not going to Azkaban, etc. Either way, though, he still acts as a spy, if you want to call it, for the Deatheaters, but then is giving them misinformation, so to speak.

I hope this makes some bit of sense.

I don’t know if I would have ever thought about it in those terms or context if Rowling hadn’t made that comment that it had not been a coincidence that Grindelwald had been defeated in 1945.

]]> By: Michal http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1365 Michal Thu, 10 May 2007 19:01:10 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1365 Luvssnape- thanks! Esther- I think she's said it more than once, even, yet people continue to speculate. Luvssnape- thanks!

Esther- I think she’s said it more than once, even, yet people continue to speculate.

]]> By: Esther http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1364 Esther Thu, 10 May 2007 14:37:01 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1364 Hello all. Regarding the previous thread that DD might not really be dead, JKR gave an interview recently where she explicitly states that he is truly dead, and even apologizes for nullifying the entire purpose of a website (dumbledoreisnotdead.com). I don't remember where I read this and don't have time to find it, but it should effectively end the speculation on that particular point. Hello all. Regarding the previous thread that DD might not really be dead, JKR gave an interview recently where she explicitly states that he is truly dead, and even apologizes for nullifying the entire purpose of a website (dumbledoreisnotdead.com). I don’t remember where I read this and don’t have time to find it, but it should effectively end the speculation on that particular point.

]]> By: Luvssnape http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1363 Luvssnape Thu, 10 May 2007 13:23:36 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1363 Michal: Prayers and luck your way on your three finals!! Michal: Prayers and luck your way on your three finals!!

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1362 Aaron Wed, 09 May 2007 18:56:04 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1362 I'm still thinking Dumbledore let go of life before the curse ever hit him. Can it be murder he is guilty of if he tried to kill what as already dead? I dunno it all could have been one big show. I'm more for the black and white appraoch. I’m still thinking Dumbledore let go of life before the curse ever hit him. Can it be murder he is guilty of if he tried to kill what as already dead? I dunno it all could have been one big show. I’m more for the black and white appraoch.

]]> By: Michal http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1361 Michal Wed, 09 May 2007 18:35:05 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1361 Maybe he's "comfortable with morally gray..." :-) As for the murder thing, it's awfully complicated. Is it murder if (as I think) Dumbledore had arranged for this to happen? On top of which, Snape actually *had* to kill Dumbledore to preserve his own life. I'm not sure what else you'd call it, though. On another note, I've been re-reading Sorcerer's Stone and it struck me that Bane the Centaur seems to feel that Harry's death is written into the stars, although this is far from explicit. Just a thought. Another thought: Why am I on here when I have 3 finals to study for? Maybe he’s “comfortable with morally gray…” :-)

As for the murder thing, it’s awfully complicated. Is it murder if (as I think) Dumbledore had arranged for this to happen? On top of which, Snape actually *had* to kill Dumbledore to preserve his own life. I’m not sure what else you’d call it, though.

On another note, I’ve been re-reading Sorcerer’s Stone and it struck me that Bane the Centaur seems to feel that Harry’s death is written into the stars, although this is far from explicit. Just a thought. Another thought: Why am I on here when I have 3 finals to study for?

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1360 Elizabeth Wed, 09 May 2007 18:27:44 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1360 I love the idea of the symbol being something we've seen but not noticed, but there's one problem with the instrument in the screencap -- the Circle on the spine is a broken circle ... look closely and you'll see that if faced the same way, one half is smaller than the other and woudl fit inside the right side (i believe it's the larger one). I'm still wondering if this is a rune. Anyone out there speak Celtic? I love the idea of the symbol being something we’ve seen but not noticed, but there’s one problem with the instrument in the screencap — the Circle on the spine is a broken circle … look closely and you’ll see that if faced the same way, one half is smaller than the other and woudl fit inside the right side (i believe it’s the larger one).

I’m still wondering if this is a rune. Anyone out there speak Celtic?

]]> By: Greg http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1359 Greg Wed, 09 May 2007 17:31:47 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1359 CoolCole: after all the backs and forths, I like your take on it. Mostly for the reason that it preserves the idea that things are not black and white, but from a different perspective; it's not a question of whether or not Snape is black or white, but whether the decision to kill Dumbledore is black and white. Good people sometimes have to do morally ambiguous things. The question is: how does this affect a person? The bottom line: Snape is still a murderer. CoolCole: after all the backs and forths, I like your take on it. Mostly for the reason that it preserves the idea that things are not black and white, but from a different perspective; it’s not a question of whether or not Snape is black or white, but whether the decision to kill Dumbledore is black and white. Good people sometimes have to do morally ambiguous things.

The question is: how does this affect a person? The bottom line: Snape is still a murderer.

]]> By: CoolCole http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1358 CoolCole Wed, 09 May 2007 00:47:18 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1358 I think it's much more simple than we're all trying to make it. Snape is good. The fight to rid the world of Voldemort's evil is much greater than Dumbledore's life and much more important than breaking Snape's cover as an OoTP spy. Although it may take a while for Harry to see it, I think Rawling made it clear to the readers by what Snape turned to Harry and said in his retreat. Love and enjoy the show. :) Take care... -CoolCole I think it’s much more simple than we’re all trying to make it.

Snape is good.

The fight to rid the world of Voldemort’s evil is much greater than Dumbledore’s life and much more important than breaking Snape’s cover as an OoTP spy.
Although it may take a while for Harry to see it, I think Rawling made it clear to the readers by what Snape turned to Harry and said in his retreat.

Love and enjoy the show. :) Take care…

-CoolCole

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1357 Aaron Tue, 08 May 2007 21:05:53 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1357 We went from Runes to founders? We still have 65 days until the movie and like 73 for the book. I don't know if I can keep up let me put some fresh batteries in my remote. We went from Runes to founders? We still have 65 days until the movie and like 73 for the book. I don’t know if I can keep up let me put some fresh batteries in my remote.

]]> By: Michal http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1356 Michal Tue, 08 May 2007 19:18:57 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1356 I agree, although there's only time for two more WoM's before Deathly Hallows is released. The cup she was holding actually fit my idea of the potential horcrux perfectly, with two handles and everything. I agree, although there’s only time for two more WoM’s before Deathly Hallows is released. The cup she was holding actually fit my idea of the potential horcrux perfectly, with two handles and everything.

]]> By: Greg in Toronto http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1355 Greg in Toronto Tue, 08 May 2007 18:15:49 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1355 Just to give some feedback on Helga Hufflepuff being named wizard of the month- I think that Jo is just giving us some food for thought on the founders as I think they will be a primary focus in the seventh book... guaranteed. I wouldn't be surprised if Rowena Ravenclaw, Salazar Slytherin, or Godric Gryfinddor end up being posted as Wizard of the Month as we lead up to the book release in the coming months. Just to give some feedback on Helga Hufflepuff being named wizard of the month- I think that Jo is just giving us some food for thought on the founders as I think they will be a primary focus in the seventh book… guaranteed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rowena Ravenclaw, Salazar Slytherin, or Godric Gryfinddor end up being posted as Wizard of the Month as we lead up to the book release in the coming months.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1354 Aaron Tue, 08 May 2007 15:40:42 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1354 Ok looking at the symbol it seems to be a common rune with many meanings from differant ancient cultures to modern masons. I guess there could be a whole lot of directions you could go with this. I tend to favor the trilogy theory. Again when faced with so many possibilities I will give my gut reaction and say it is a mark that the meaning of is of less importantance. That is it's location is more important than the meaning. Perhaps a key with the same symbol unlocks a similarly marked chest or door. Well there is my attempt at an original thought for it. Ponder er Prognosticate on it and let me know. Ok looking at the symbol it seems to be a common rune with many meanings from differant ancient cultures to modern masons. I guess there could be a whole lot of directions you could go with this. I tend to favor the trilogy theory. Again when faced with so many possibilities I will give my gut reaction and say it is a mark that the meaning of is of less importantance. That is it’s location is more important than the meaning. Perhaps a key with the same symbol unlocks a similarly marked chest or door. Well there is my attempt at an original thought for it. Ponder er Prognosticate on it and let me know.

]]> By: Greg in Toronto http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1353 Greg in Toronto Tue, 08 May 2007 15:05:04 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1353 LOL, details, details Penny.... okay, I PROGNOSICATE that the instrument in the picture may represent the symbol on the spine and it may help Harry in his quest in book 7. LOL, details, details Penny…. okay, I PROGNOSICATE that the instrument in the picture may represent the symbol on the spine and it may help Harry in his quest in book 7.

]]> By: Penny http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1352 Penny Tue, 08 May 2007 14:59:17 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1352 Well...technically, we prognosticate- not ponder but I guess that is ok.;) Well…technically, we prognosticate- not ponder but I guess that is ok.;)

]]> By: Greg in Toronto http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1351 Greg in Toronto Tue, 08 May 2007 14:44:30 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1351 Yes, there has been talk of the movies being set up to coincide with future storylines- in particular how the Godric's Hollow scenes were staged in the first movie. I just thought ti was very interesting to see that device, it is very similar to the symbol we have seen on the spine... im not sure though that there is any description of such a device in the books, but I thought it was fun to ponder regardless... :) That is what we do here! Yes, there has been talk of the movies being set up to coincide with future storylines- in particular how the Godric’s Hollow scenes were staged in the first movie. I just thought ti was very interesting to see that device, it is very similar to the symbol we have seen on the spine… im not sure though that there is any description of such a device in the books, but I thought it was fun to ponder regardless… :) That is what we do here!

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1344 Aaron Tue, 08 May 2007 12:30:24 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1344 I really use the movies as a tool to decide what is really important. When you have to edit and cut out/change parts of the book in order to make it fit in a time limit we are afforded the luxery of seeing certain things that must be included to sustain the plot/outcome. I pay particular attention to the scenes that make you ask the question, Why put that in when this other scene that was cut is so much cooler. Of course we will have only just over 1 week to compare OOTP. Wonder if it's worth expending the brain power? Any ways Greg in Toronto I'm checkiing my copy of GOF to see if there is mention of these pyramid shaped items specifically. Only problem is my darn kids have put it somewhere and I can't locate it at the moment. Dog gone kids acting like these Potter books are for them, The nerve! I really use the movies as a tool to decide what is really important. When you have to edit and cut out/change parts of the book in order to make it fit in a time limit we are afforded the luxery of seeing certain things that must be included to sustain the plot/outcome. I pay particular attention to the scenes that make you ask the question, Why put that in when this other scene that was cut is so much cooler. Of course we will have only just over 1 week to compare OOTP. Wonder if it’s worth expending the brain power? Any ways Greg in Toronto I’m checkiing my copy of GOF to see if there is mention of these pyramid shaped items specifically. Only problem is my darn kids have put it somewhere and I can’t locate it at the moment. Dog gone kids acting like these Potter books are for them, The nerve!

]]> By: Greg in Toronto http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1350 Greg in Toronto Tue, 08 May 2007 11:55:34 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1350 Regarding the triangle/circle singe, I came across this screenshot from the GoF movie, a scene in Dumbledore's office, after Barty Crouch's body is discovered. Look in the left part of the picture: http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4756/dumbledoredevicetw8.jpg Could this be an invention of Dumbledore's that will help him in his quest? Regarding the triangle/circle singe, I came across this screenshot from the GoF movie, a scene in Dumbledore’s office, after Barty Crouch’s body is discovered. Look in the left part of the picture:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4756/dumbledoredevicetw8.jpg

Could this be an invention of Dumbledore’s that will help him in his quest?

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1349 Aaron Tue, 08 May 2007 05:47:32 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1349 Well ok, sorry Greg didn't know you were up burning the midnight oil. Guess we agree on elf magic LOL. Funny you mentioned Snape, Good, Bad or both as that was the first podcast episode I ever listened to. I guess maybe since I am so Hagrid-like that Dumbledore's death has traumatized me so I am jsut confusing myself. I will stick to my guns though and say Dumbledore was already dead when Snapes curse struck. Also in my prediction that Snaape will sacrifice himself to save another(probably Harry). I may be grasping at straws ignoring the fact that he is a Slytherin but I think his redemption will be used to not only teach Harry a final lesson on rushing to judgement but as a redemption for the House of Slytherin. Just thinking to do this it will have to be a complete dramatic vindicating turn around. Like doasis said I'm making him out to be some sort of saint because I think that is what it will take. I think I've beat this dead horse into a pancake. Well ok, sorry Greg didn’t know you were up burning the midnight oil. Guess we agree on elf magic LOL. Funny you mentioned Snape, Good, Bad or both as that was the first podcast episode I ever listened to. I guess maybe since I am so Hagrid-like that Dumbledore’s death has traumatized me so I am jsut confusing myself. I will stick to my guns though and say Dumbledore was already dead when Snapes curse struck. Also in my prediction that Snaape will sacrifice himself to save another(probably Harry). I may be grasping at straws ignoring the fact that he is a Slytherin but I think his redemption will be used to not only teach Harry a final lesson on rushing to judgement but as a redemption for the House of Slytherin. Just thinking to do this it will have to be a complete dramatic vindicating turn around. Like doasis said I’m making him out to be some sort of saint because I think that is what it will take. I think I’ve beat this dead horse into a pancake.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1348 Aaron Tue, 08 May 2007 05:05:32 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1348 William I think House Elves and their magic are a separate entity. I have seen no elf with a wand as it seems they have no need of them. You could argue that Dobby's spell on the cake was detected by the Ministry but that may have been part of his attempt to prevent Harry from returning to Hogwarts. I know that Dobby has been portrayed as disappearing with a snap of the fingers and the way he fads away just make me think it is similar but different than appartating. William I think House Elves and their magic are a separate entity. I have seen no elf with a wand as it seems they have no need of them. You could argue that Dobby’s spell on the cake was detected by the Ministry but that may have been part of his attempt to prevent Harry from returning to Hogwarts. I know that Dobby has been portrayed as disappearing with a snap of the fingers and the way he fads away just make me think it is similar but different than appartating.

]]> By: Greg http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1347 Greg Tue, 08 May 2007 04:54:37 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1347 Aaron: In our first Snape podcast, I referenced the pages under discussion as proof that Snape was really a good guy, and was, even as he flew from Hogwarts as a traitor, trying to teach Harry what he needed to know to defeat Voldemort. It would seem to point to Snape being a good guy, but it could also just be he was backed into a corner and forced to make a self-preserving bad decision, but still thinks everyone's better off without Voldie. Arsenyc: Thanks! William: I think JKR has said that house elves have different magic that allows them to apparate in and out of Hogwarts. Aaron: In our first Snape podcast, I referenced the pages under discussion as proof that Snape was really a good guy, and was, even as he flew from Hogwarts as a traitor, trying to teach Harry what he needed to know to defeat Voldemort. It would seem to point to Snape being a good guy, but it could also just be he was backed into a corner and forced to make a self-preserving bad decision, but still thinks everyone’s better off without Voldie.

Arsenyc: Thanks!

William: I think JKR has said that house elves have different magic that allows them to apparate in and out of Hogwarts.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1346 Aaron Tue, 08 May 2007 02:45:53 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1346 Hmmmmmm Ok Greg but I still think he was preventing him for other than the obvious reasons of self defense. It is very true what you said about Snape teaching him a lession by demonstrating how easy it was to deal with him and showing how his emotions betray his attacks but ( and you actually made me reread pages 602 thru 605 of HBP) There is not one curse that Harry was able to speak fully. All are shown to be cut short, I will reluctantly conced that after Snape yelled no unforgiveable curse's from you Potter! his very next sentence was You haven't the nerve or the ability. He may have added that to prevent his true intentions from being known to the other deatheaters that were present but I will give you that one. Of corse he goes on to reveal himself as the HBP with an interesting comment about How Harry was trying to use his own inventions against him like your filthy father. Hmmmm still lots of hostility for James 15 years after his death. Even so if Snape is on the dark side or even just out for himself why would he bother trying to show Harry anything? It would seem as he had just played his hand. If what doasis and you have described him as holds water then why not just zap him and be done with it? There is just got to be more to those pages than that. Lastly, when saying his don't call me coward line his expression is not of rage or anger but described as if being in as much pain as the burning dog. That would seem to suggest that Harry had hit something personal. I'm gonna go take a flintstones vitiman and await your replys. Hmmmmmm Ok Greg but I still think he was preventing him for other than the obvious reasons of self defense. It is very true what you said about Snape teaching him a lession by demonstrating how easy it was to deal with him and showing how his emotions betray his attacks but ( and you actually made me reread pages 602 thru 605 of HBP) There is not one curse that Harry was able to speak fully. All are shown to be cut short, I will reluctantly conced that after Snape yelled no unforgiveable curse’s from you Potter! his very next sentence was You haven’t the nerve or the ability. He may have added that to prevent his true intentions from being known to the other deatheaters that were present but I will give you that one. Of corse he goes on to reveal himself as the HBP with an interesting comment about How Harry was trying to use his own inventions against him like your filthy father. Hmmmm still lots of hostility for James 15 years after his death. Even so if Snape is on the dark side or even just out for himself why would he bother trying to show Harry anything? It would seem as he had just played his hand. If what doasis and you have described him as holds water then why not just zap him and be done with it? There is just got to be more to those pages than that. Lastly, when saying his don’t call me coward line his expression is not of rage or anger but described as if being in as much pain as the burning dog. That would seem to suggest that Harry had hit something personal. I’m gonna go take a flintstones vitiman and await your replys.

]]> By: Arsenyc http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1345 Arsenyc Tue, 08 May 2007 02:07:53 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1345 Hello Penny & Greg! Let me just start my saying I just subscribed to your podcast for the first time last week. I had my iPod for about 3 years and had no idea what a podcast was until literally last week. I am a HUGE HP fan but have kinda been out of the HP community for a while because I've been so busy with school. But I always seem to find my way back when the release of a new book is approaching. So any hoo, I discoved what a podcast was and immediately started searching for HP podcasts. I subscribed to every podcast available and downloaded all archived episodes. I decided to start listening to you all's podcast first (from the beginning) and immediately loved it. After listening to several episodes I decided to find out what's all the hype about the very popular "podcast who shall not be named." I must admit, I WAS NOT impressed AT ALL! But I'm not here to bash "you know what." What I am here for is to tell you that I think your show is amazing. I love your thought provoking discussions, creativity and organization (Even when it's not planned). You guys REALLY discuss the book and analyze it instead of just goofing off and getting waaay off subject. I like the fact that you keep it short and to the point, even though sometimes I'd prefer you to go further. And I especially love the fact that you guys are a couple; it makes for very interesting debate. 2 cohost work much better than 5 guys trying to talk at once. Well anyway, I just wanted to let you know how great you are and to keep up the good work. P.S. Look out for me on myspace, I will be adding you guys very soon. Hello Penny & Greg! Let me just start my saying I just subscribed to your podcast for the first time last week. I had my iPod for about 3 years and had no idea what a podcast was until literally last week. I am a HUGE HP fan but have kinda been out of the HP community for a while because I’ve been so busy with school. But I always seem to find my way back when the release of a new book is approaching. So any hoo, I discoved what a podcast was and immediately started searching for HP podcasts. I subscribed to every podcast available and downloaded all archived episodes. I decided to start listening to you all’s podcast first (from the beginning) and immediately loved it. After listening to several episodes I decided to find out what’s all the hype about the very popular “podcast who shall not be named.” I must admit, I WAS NOT impressed AT ALL! But I’m not here to bash “you know what.” What I am here for is to tell you that I think your show is amazing. I love your thought provoking discussions, creativity and organization (Even when it’s not planned). You guys REALLY discuss the book and analyze it instead of just goofing off and getting waaay off subject. I like the fact that you keep it short and to the point, even though sometimes I’d prefer you to go further. And I especially love the fact that you guys are a couple; it makes for very interesting debate. 2 cohost work much better than 5 guys trying to talk at once. Well anyway, I just wanted to let you know how great you are and to keep up the good work. P.S. Look out for me on myspace, I will be adding you guys very soon.

]]> By: William http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1343 William Tue, 08 May 2007 01:37:05 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1343 Ok, first poster here, and new topic. I confess I haven't read all the comments to all the previous episodes so forgive me if I repeat someone else's thoughts, but Rowling adamantly repeat a few themes. 1. Harry looks like James but has Lily's eyes... 2. You can't apparate in Hogwarts. 3. Petunia knows more about witchcraft than the other characters know I thing Greg and Penny alluded to the eyes in an early Podcast. Why is it then, with regard to apparating, that house-elfs can apparate in Hogwarts with the greatest of ease? Any and all comments appreciated... Ok, first poster here, and new topic.
I confess I haven’t read all the comments to all the previous episodes so forgive me if I repeat someone else’s thoughts, but Rowling adamantly repeat a few themes.
1. Harry looks like James but has Lily’s eyes…
2. You can’t apparate in Hogwarts.
3. Petunia knows more about witchcraft than the other characters know

I thing Greg and Penny alluded to the eyes in an early Podcast.

Why is it then, with regard to apparating, that house-elfs can apparate in Hogwarts with the greatest of ease?

Any and all comments appreciated…

]]> By: Greg in Toronto http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1342 Greg in Toronto Tue, 08 May 2007 00:56:51 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1342 Interesting point Greg. Your comment reminds of how Dumbledore dealt with Voldemort when he was engaged in battle with him at the Ministry of Magic. He was very cool, calm and collected, a person in full command of his abilities- definitely all the signs of a skilled wizard who has had experience with dark magic. I just can't wait for DD to utter the line, "It was foolish of you to come here tonight Tom" when all finally see DD confront Voldemort in the OoP movie. Interesting point Greg. Your comment reminds of how Dumbledore dealt with Voldemort when he was engaged in battle with him at the Ministry of Magic. He was very cool, calm and collected, a person in full command of his abilities- definitely all the signs of a skilled wizard who has had experience with dark magic. I just can’t wait for DD to utter the line, “It was foolish of you to come here tonight Tom” when all finally see DD confront Voldemort in the OoP movie.

]]> By: Greg http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1341 Greg Tue, 08 May 2007 00:36:29 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1341 Snape wasn't preventing him from doing those curses, he was pointing out to Potter that until he's able to control his emotions and stop wearing them on his sleeve, he'll never be able to successfully attack someone with an Unforgivable Curse. Since Harry's so obviously emotional and upset, he's easy to anticipate and defend against. Only if he can reign in the emotions and channel is anger more rationally will he have a chance of defeating a skilled Dark wizard. Snape wasn’t preventing him from doing those curses, he was pointing out to Potter that until he’s able to control his emotions and stop wearing them on his sleeve, he’ll never be able to successfully attack someone with an Unforgivable Curse. Since Harry’s so obviously emotional and upset, he’s easy to anticipate and defend against. Only if he can reign in the emotions and channel is anger more rationally will he have a chance of defeating a skilled Dark wizard.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/comment-page-2/#comment-1340 Aaron Mon, 07 May 2007 23:24:15 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2007/05/02/episode-31-snape-revisted/#comment-1340 I'm not even sure where to begin speculating. I Would have to consider what I know. The Durselys seem to be mmore burdened by Harry than to have any sort of family loyalty or genuine family bond to use a better word. It always struck me as odd that her dead sister's child would be treated as such. It's almost like an evil step parent in a fairy tale. So then I would ask what is there motivation or incentave to be Harry's keeper? Fear of reprisal from Dumbledore or could there be a tangable benefit to them that has yet to be mentioned. Vernon seems like a non player in this and seems to only follow Petunia's lead. Is she being protected from something as well? I think of Dumbledores offer to Draco about completely hiding his mother and him. Could Petunia be in the witness protection program? I will have to give this more thought . The deeper I get the mmore questiions it seems to create. I’m not even sure where to begin speculating. I Would have to consider what I know. The Durselys seem to be mmore burdened by Harry than to have any sort of family loyalty or genuine family bond to use a better word. It always struck me as odd that her dead sister’s child would be treated as such. It’s almost like an evil step parent in a fairy tale. So then I would ask what is there motivation or incentave to be Harry’s keeper? Fear of reprisal from Dumbledore or could there be a tangable benefit to them that has yet to be mentioned. Vernon seems like a non player in this and seems to only follow Petunia’s lead. Is she being protected from something as well? I think of Dumbledores offer to Draco about completely hiding his mother and him. Could Petunia be in the witness protection program? I will have to give this more thought . The deeper I get the mmore questiions it seems to create.

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