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	<title>Comments on: Episode #16: The Dursleys</title>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Little Whinging, Surrey. (4 Privet Drive to be exact).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Little Whinging, Surrey. (4 Privet Drive to be exact).</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can you tell me where in the UK do the Dursleys live?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can you tell me where in the UK do the Dursleys live?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t understand some parts of this article Episode #16: The Dursleys, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man I feel stupid about my misspelling up there!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t know waht to think about the Dursleys. JKR has always sort of slipped them in a a standing joke. I just don&#039;t think much is gonna happen to them in the 7th book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t know waht to think about the Dursleys. JKR has always sort of slipped them in a a standing joke. I just don&#8217;t think much is gonna happen to them in the 7th book.</p>
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		<title>By: nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>penny, that is an awesome idea.  i&#039;ll bring it up to him after work tonight and see if i can talk him into it.  he loves reading and we have a ton of books at home, but he&#039;s been under the impression that harry potter is for children.  which is SO not true, as you already know...  i&#039;m in the middle of listening to episode 17 right now, can&#039;t wait to hear more about the horcruxes.

ps - dwight rules.  i have pictures of him hanging up in my cubicle, right next to pics of snape, haha.

pps - you guys should totally do an office podcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>penny, that is an awesome idea.  i&#8217;ll bring it up to him after work tonight and see if i can talk him into it.  he loves reading and we have a ton of books at home, but he&#8217;s been under the impression that harry potter is for children.  which is SO not true, as you already know&#8230;  i&#8217;m in the middle of listening to episode 17 right now, can&#8217;t wait to hear more about the horcruxes.</p>
<p>ps &#8211; dwight rules.  i have pictures of him hanging up in my cubicle, right next to pics of snape, haha.</p>
<p>pps &#8211; you guys should totally do an office podcast.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point about the 12 Grimmauld.  I wonder whether the secret keeper stuff works retroactively.  Meaning, he didn&#039;t tell the Dursley&#039;s to remember 12 Grimmauld, but since they heard it about it, will they be able to call upon that memory in the future?  OR, does it have to be spoken by Dumbledore like this, &quot;The Headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix is 12 Grimmauld place&quot;.  That is the way it always appeared on the slips of paper people were told to look at, memorize and destroy- didn&#039;t it?.

By the way, welcome, Neville!  Glad to have you hear and commenting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point about the 12 Grimmauld.  I wonder whether the secret keeper stuff works retroactively.  Meaning, he didn&#8217;t tell the Dursley&#8217;s to remember 12 Grimmauld, but since they heard it about it, will they be able to call upon that memory in the future?  OR, does it have to be spoken by Dumbledore like this, &#8220;The Headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix is 12 Grimmauld place&#8221;.  That is the way it always appeared on the slips of paper people were told to look at, memorize and destroy- didn&#8217;t it?.</p>
<p>By the way, welcome, Neville!  Glad to have you hear and commenting!</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point about the 12 Grimmauld.  I wonder whether the secret keeper stuff works retroactively.  Meaning, he didn&#039;t tell the Dursley&#039;s to remember 12 Grimmauld, but since they heard it about it, will they be able to call upon that memory in the future?  OR, does it have to be spoken by Dumbledore like this, &quot;The Headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix is 12 Grimmauld place&quot;.  That is the way it always appeared on the slips of paper people were told to look at, memorize and destroy- didn&#039;t it?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point about the 12 Grimmauld.  I wonder whether the secret keeper stuff works retroactively.  Meaning, he didn&#8217;t tell the Dursley&#8217;s to remember 12 Grimmauld, but since they heard it about it, will they be able to call upon that memory in the future?  OR, does it have to be spoken by Dumbledore like this, &#8220;The Headquarters for the Order of the Phoenix is 12 Grimmauld place&#8221;.  That is the way it always appeared on the slips of paper people were told to look at, memorize and destroy- didn&#8217;t it?.</p>
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		<title>By: nevilleshortbottom</title>
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		<dc:creator>nevilleshortbottom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg and Penny,
I also enjoy listening to your podcasts.
About the dursleys...
In book six chapter Will and Wont Dumbledore says number 12 Grimmauld Place (sp) two times and Order of the Phoenix two times in front of the Dursleys. Since he is the secret keeper I think that means the Dursleys can go to the OotP since harry can not speak the name to them (see Spinners End for details). I believe that something will happen at number 4 priv. dr. and Harry will have to take the Dursleys into hiding with him for their safety. The Dursleys at # 12 will be a hoot!
Also, in this same chapter, Dumbledore says &quot;Ah, and this must be Petunia.&quot; This means that they have never met but have only communicated via mail up to this point.
If she had any magic in her then Dumbledore would know.
Something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg and Penny,<br />
I also enjoy listening to your podcasts.<br />
About the dursleys&#8230;<br />
In book six chapter Will and Wont Dumbledore says number 12 Grimmauld Place (sp) two times and Order of the Phoenix two times in front of the Dursleys. Since he is the secret keeper I think that means the Dursleys can go to the OotP since harry can not speak the name to them (see Spinners End for details). I believe that something will happen at number 4 priv. dr. and Harry will have to take the Dursleys into hiding with him for their safety. The Dursleys at # 12 will be a hoot!<br />
Also, in this same chapter, Dumbledore says &#8220;Ah, and this must be Petunia.&#8221; This means that they have never met but have only communicated via mail up to this point.<br />
If she had any magic in her then Dumbledore would know.<br />
Something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woops, Nicole.  Your fiancee.</description>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole- Welcome!  I am so that you enjoyed the podcast!  We should have a new one out soon (tommorow probably) and we got some new recording stuff so hopefully the sound quality will be better!

All I can say is, Give it time.  Greg and I finally convinced my 34 year old sister to read Harry Potter (her kids have read it but she refused) and over the past 2 months it is all she has been talking about.  She called me up today and said, &quot;Slughorn just gave harry the memory!  I can&#039;t believe it is going to be over soon, I am so sad!&quot;.  So there, she is converted.  Let&#039;s make a deal, if your husband agrees to read the Potter books, we&#039;ll let him (and you) come on the podcast for an interview.  Good idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole- Welcome!  I am so that you enjoyed the podcast!  We should have a new one out soon (tommorow probably) and we got some new recording stuff so hopefully the sound quality will be better!</p>
<p>All I can say is, Give it time.  Greg and I finally convinced my 34 year old sister to read Harry Potter (her kids have read it but she refused) and over the past 2 months it is all she has been talking about.  She called me up today and said, &#8220;Slughorn just gave harry the memory!  I can&#8217;t believe it is going to be over soon, I am so sad!&#8221;.  So there, she is converted.  Let&#8217;s make a deal, if your husband agrees to read the Potter books, we&#8217;ll let him (and you) come on the podcast for an interview.  Good idea?</p>
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		<title>By: nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is the first podcast of yours i&#039;ve listened to and i really enjoyed it.  just wanted to add that i love &quot;the office&quot;.  my fiance and i just bought the first two seasons on dvd and we are near the end of season two.  now if i could only get him into harry potter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the first podcast of yours i&#8217;ve listened to and i really enjoyed it.  just wanted to add that i love &#8220;the office&#8221;.  my fiance and i just bought the first two seasons on dvd and we are near the end of season two.  now if i could only get him into harry potter&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Penny,
I made a short post here giving a link to an article on the &#039;betting&#039; as to who would die.
I am not against the Prog theory but have not made up my mind. If I procrastinate long enough I won&#039;t take a position.
In the meantime I am willing to listen all sides.
Harry Potter is not just successful writing it is good and classic writing. It embodies many of the traditional elements of mythic story writing.
A young boy of noble parents is left with lesser folk. He thinks himself at the bottom of the heap. Then he discovers otherwise. Suddenly he is pharaohs son---I mean a great wizard.
But in learning this he is cast into another world  He must learn his new craft from a great mentor.
At the same he is maturing (coming of age) and establishing hemself as independent human being.
He soon forms a fast friendship with two companions..
All of this rings with audiences young and old both because it appeals to our life experiences and our fantasy&#039;s.
Anyway I blather on....
Steph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Penny,<br />
I made a short post here giving a link to an article on the &#8216;betting&#8217; as to who would die.<br />
I am not against the Prog theory but have not made up my mind. If I procrastinate long enough I won&#8217;t take a position.<br />
In the meantime I am willing to listen all sides.<br />
Harry Potter is not just successful writing it is good and classic writing. It embodies many of the traditional elements of mythic story writing.<br />
A young boy of noble parents is left with lesser folk. He thinks himself at the bottom of the heap. Then he discovers otherwise. Suddenly he is pharaohs son&#8212;I mean a great wizard.<br />
But in learning this he is cast into another world  He must learn his new craft from a great mentor.<br />
At the same he is maturing (coming of age) and establishing hemself as independent human being.<br />
He soon forms a fast friendship with two companions..<br />
All of this rings with audiences young and old both because it appeals to our life experiences and our fantasy&#8217;s.<br />
Anyway I blather on&#8230;.<br />
Steph</p>
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		<title>By: yvaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>yvaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny:  At that time, Harry was almost ready to die and he started thinking &quot;I&#039;ll see Sirius again.&quot; and he started to feel a flood of emotions triggered by thoughts of Sirius, and that&#039;s when Voldemort left.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny:  At that time, Harry was almost ready to die and he started thinking &#8220;I&#8217;ll see Sirius again.&#8221; and he started to feel a flood of emotions triggered by thoughts of Sirius, and that&#8217;s when Voldemort left.  <img src='http://www.hpprogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments everyone- and we really are trying to figure out what to do with the sound.  We appreciate all of you not giving up on us!

Anyway, so much to respond to, I hope I don&#039;t forget anything.

Dan- as far as JKR not having to tie things up in book 7- although I agree with you that it is her prerogative wehther she decides to tie things up neatly or leave us hanging, I just can&#039;t see her leaving things hanging.  Let&#039;s face it, JK Rowling has some of the most vocal/involved fans out there.  If she has decided that she is ONLY writing 7 books, that is what she will write.  I don&#039;t think she will want to open things up majorly for speculation.  This is the reason a lot of people think she will kill Harry.  I don&#039;t want to think about or discuss that scenario though now.  My heart can&#039;t take it ;)

Oh, let us know if you decide to camp out with your son!  What a great dad you must be!

Steph- Thanks for the comments.  I don&#039;t think you&#039;ve commented here before, so welcome, we are so glad to hear from you.  I agree with you completely about the Dursley&#039;s representing the fantasy/fairy tale aspect of the series.  &quot;What kid has not felt that she was misunderstood and not treated fairly and imagined what she would do if she had power?&quot;  I loved this.  It is so true!

P.S. Don&#039;t tell anyone because I might lose all credibility, but I really don&#039;t have my own Deathly Hallows theory.  Greg and I have talked about it since we heard the title and he solidified our discussions and laid out the theory.  Some of the details have been my thoughts but besides that I can&#039;t think of any other theory (I haven&#039;t really wanted to either, because I like this one).  So while I LOVE the idea of a formal debate, it will have to be on a different topic since I &quot;am firmly in the Harry Potter Prognostications Deathly Hallows Theory&quot; Camp.

Janice- I actually just re-read the Department of Mysteries part of OoTP this morning (speaking of OoTP, I am rethinking my ordering of the books, I actually liked it better after having read this time...Not sure what I should do) and you are correct, Voldemort did possess Harry, but as Dumbledore said in HBP, &quot;Voldemort cannot possess you without enduring Mortal Agony.&quot;  Why is that?  I think it is because of the love that Harry still carries in him from Lily.  I seem to remember that Harry was ready to die when Voldemort was possessing him.  Was he thinking of the people he loved?  I can&#039;t remember.  Alas, I am going to have to go back and re-re-re-read that again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments everyone- and we really are trying to figure out what to do with the sound.  We appreciate all of you not giving up on us!</p>
<p>Anyway, so much to respond to, I hope I don&#8217;t forget anything.</p>
<p>Dan- as far as JKR not having to tie things up in book 7- although I agree with you that it is her prerogative wehther she decides to tie things up neatly or leave us hanging, I just can&#8217;t see her leaving things hanging.  Let&#8217;s face it, JK Rowling has some of the most vocal/involved fans out there.  If she has decided that she is ONLY writing 7 books, that is what she will write.  I don&#8217;t think she will want to open things up majorly for speculation.  This is the reason a lot of people think she will kill Harry.  I don&#8217;t want to think about or discuss that scenario though now.  My heart can&#8217;t take it <img src='http://www.hpprogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh, let us know if you decide to camp out with your son!  What a great dad you must be!</p>
<p>Steph- Thanks for the comments.  I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve commented here before, so welcome, we are so glad to hear from you.  I agree with you completely about the Dursley&#8217;s representing the fantasy/fairy tale aspect of the series.  &#8220;What kid has not felt that she was misunderstood and not treated fairly and imagined what she would do if she had power?&#8221;  I loved this.  It is so true!</p>
<p>P.S. Don&#8217;t tell anyone because I might lose all credibility, but I really don&#8217;t have my own Deathly Hallows theory.  Greg and I have talked about it since we heard the title and he solidified our discussions and laid out the theory.  Some of the details have been my thoughts but besides that I can&#8217;t think of any other theory (I haven&#8217;t really wanted to either, because I like this one).  So while I LOVE the idea of a formal debate, it will have to be on a different topic since I &#8220;am firmly in the Harry Potter Prognostications Deathly Hallows Theory&#8221; Camp.</p>
<p>Janice- I actually just re-read the Department of Mysteries part of OoTP this morning (speaking of OoTP, I am rethinking my ordering of the books, I actually liked it better after having read this time&#8230;Not sure what I should do) and you are correct, Voldemort did possess Harry, but as Dumbledore said in HBP, &#8220;Voldemort cannot possess you without enduring Mortal Agony.&#8221;  Why is that?  I think it is because of the love that Harry still carries in him from Lily.  I seem to remember that Harry was ready to die when Voldemort was possessing him.  Was he thinking of the people he loved?  I can&#8217;t remember.  Alas, I am going to have to go back and re-re-re-read that again.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I&#039;ve finally caught up!

Great podcast as usual.

Couple of thoughts on the discussion:

It would make practical sense for Dumbledore to want Harry to go back to the Dursley&#039;s until his 17th birthday, to take advantage of the protection until he is of age.  Once he comes of age, the protection expires, but at that point, at least he can do magic without breaking wizarding law. If he jumped the gun and ran around using magic underage, he&#039;d probably just wind up getting hassled by Ministry bureacrats, which wouldn&#039;t be good.  (But Ron and Hermione will already be of age when they go with him, so they will be able to use magic legally at the Dursley&#039;s - I imagine that may offer a little comic relief!)

The discussion of the spell and LV touching Harry and all that was interesting.  I had understood the Ministry scene differently.  I thought LV posessed Harry, not just touched him, which I thought was something different.  My interpretation was that the use of Harrry&#039;s blood negated part of the spell and allowed LV to touch Harry, but at the Ministry, he tried to actually posess Harry, and was able to do it until Harry thought of people he loved, at which point the posession was driven out.  So it was actually Harry&#039;s emotion of love that made it intolerable for LV to posess him, which is why I thought Dumbledore said later that &quot;it was your heart that saved you&quot;.  That was the way I read it, anyway.

As for the Dursley&#039;s and Harry playing the &quot;hero&quot; to save them if need be, of course you&#039;re right.  Harry already saved Dudley&#039;s life once, from the Dementors in the alley, so I think we can assume he&#039;ll behave in a similar manner if they&#039;re threatened again.

And it wouldn&#039;t suprise me if the Dursley&#039;s got attacked in Book 7. If so, I would guess either they all live, they all die, or just Dudley survives.  I could see more inter-generational love/protection playing out here - Petunia and Vernon die trying to save Dudley, and Harry manages to save Dudley but not his Aunt and Uncle, and Dudley doesn&#039;t appreciate that Harry did the best he could and blames him, something like that.  Maybe.  Or, maybe Harry just walks away from them for good, and they live on but fade into irrelevance, as archetypes of the kind of small, narrow people hero have to rise above.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I&#8217;ve finally caught up!</p>
<p>Great podcast as usual.</p>
<p>Couple of thoughts on the discussion:</p>
<p>It would make practical sense for Dumbledore to want Harry to go back to the Dursley&#8217;s until his 17th birthday, to take advantage of the protection until he is of age.  Once he comes of age, the protection expires, but at that point, at least he can do magic without breaking wizarding law. If he jumped the gun and ran around using magic underage, he&#8217;d probably just wind up getting hassled by Ministry bureacrats, which wouldn&#8217;t be good.  (But Ron and Hermione will already be of age when they go with him, so they will be able to use magic legally at the Dursley&#8217;s &#8211; I imagine that may offer a little comic relief!)</p>
<p>The discussion of the spell and LV touching Harry and all that was interesting.  I had understood the Ministry scene differently.  I thought LV posessed Harry, not just touched him, which I thought was something different.  My interpretation was that the use of Harrry&#8217;s blood negated part of the spell and allowed LV to touch Harry, but at the Ministry, he tried to actually posess Harry, and was able to do it until Harry thought of people he loved, at which point the posession was driven out.  So it was actually Harry&#8217;s emotion of love that made it intolerable for LV to posess him, which is why I thought Dumbledore said later that &#8220;it was your heart that saved you&#8221;.  That was the way I read it, anyway.</p>
<p>As for the Dursley&#8217;s and Harry playing the &#8220;hero&#8221; to save them if need be, of course you&#8217;re right.  Harry already saved Dudley&#8217;s life once, from the Dementors in the alley, so I think we can assume he&#8217;ll behave in a similar manner if they&#8217;re threatened again.</p>
<p>And it wouldn&#8217;t suprise me if the Dursley&#8217;s got attacked in Book 7. If so, I would guess either they all live, they all die, or just Dudley survives.  I could see more inter-generational love/protection playing out here &#8211; Petunia and Vernon die trying to save Dudley, and Harry manages to save Dudley but not his Aunt and Uncle, and Dudley doesn&#8217;t appreciate that Harry did the best he could and blames him, something like that.  Maybe.  Or, maybe Harry just walks away from them for good, and they live on but fade into irrelevance, as archetypes of the kind of small, narrow people hero have to rise above.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see, I guess!</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg and Penny,
I enjoy your podcasts and look forward to them as weekly treat.
While I think the complaint you received about Greg was way over the top the two of you do need to work out some system so that each of you can complete a statement and perhaps too get equal time.
One thing I think you might do is have Penny lay out her theory of deathly hollow uninterrupted for say a third of your podcaste and then have a little debate between you.
I liked Gregs analysis of how the Dursley’s &#039;epilogue in each book made a statement about the problems(s) Harry will face during the book. It gave me a new perspective on the plot function of the Dursley’s.
My own conception of that was that it was part of &#039;fantasy&#039; appeal of the books to the audience. Here we have a powerless person (a young adult) who is actually very powerful. Moreover his power must not be expressed against his oppressors.
What kid has not felt that she was misunderstood and not treated fairly and imagined what she would do if she had power?
Other points.
_ I think Dan J&#039;s second point is a good one but would feel better if the two of you are right. I&#039;d like to see some closure on the Dursley’s
-I like the idea of how in the seventh book Harry has to defend his despised Aunt and Uncle (and cousin) from Death eaters intent on hurting him. Such ascene would not only further ennoble Harry but could be used once again to show the ruthless inhuman nature of &#039;he who must not be named&#039; and the death eaters. The other thing is goes back to the fantay element I mentioned earlier the boy who has been powerless now protects his oppressor.
- If they are saved by Harry I don&#039;t think they will be grateful.

Ok thats it...probably too much. Once again I enjoy your podcasts.
Steph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg and Penny,<br />
I enjoy your podcasts and look forward to them as weekly treat.<br />
While I think the complaint you received about Greg was way over the top the two of you do need to work out some system so that each of you can complete a statement and perhaps too get equal time.<br />
One thing I think you might do is have Penny lay out her theory of deathly hollow uninterrupted for say a third of your podcaste and then have a little debate between you.<br />
I liked Gregs analysis of how the Dursley’s &#8216;epilogue in each book made a statement about the problems(s) Harry will face during the book. It gave me a new perspective on the plot function of the Dursley’s.<br />
My own conception of that was that it was part of &#8216;fantasy&#8217; appeal of the books to the audience. Here we have a powerless person (a young adult) who is actually very powerful. Moreover his power must not be expressed against his oppressors.<br />
What kid has not felt that she was misunderstood and not treated fairly and imagined what she would do if she had power?<br />
Other points.<br />
_ I think Dan J&#8217;s second point is a good one but would feel better if the two of you are right. I&#8217;d like to see some closure on the Dursley’s<br />
-I like the idea of how in the seventh book Harry has to defend his despised Aunt and Uncle (and cousin) from Death eaters intent on hurting him. Such ascene would not only further ennoble Harry but could be used once again to show the ruthless inhuman nature of &#8216;he who must not be named&#8217; and the death eaters. The other thing is goes back to the fantay element I mentioned earlier the boy who has been powerless now protects his oppressor.<br />
- If they are saved by Harry I don&#8217;t think they will be grateful.</p>
<p>Ok thats it&#8230;probably too much. Once again I enjoy your podcasts.<br />
Steph</p>
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		<title>By: Dan J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) You almost got a chance to speak your peace at the beginning, Penny.

2) I do agree with others about the levels; perhaps consider testing the audio with the mic at different distances from your mouths.  Then you can also use run the uncompressed WAV through the Levelator from Gigavox; highly recommended!

3) You seem to assume that JKR is going to wrap things up very neatly in book 7, specifically here with the Dursleys.  I don&#039;t necessarily agree with that; she may opt to leave somethings unfinished and doesn&#039;t/shouldn&#039;t have an obligation to do so.  Or should she?  Just because it&#039;s the last book doesn&#039;t mean that everything needs to be tied up.  Please discuss.

4) Last night we were at the mall in a northwestern suburb of Cincinnati, and the bookstore there was taking reserve orders for book 7.  I&#039;ve thought about taking our 9-1/2 year old and camping out the night before the book arrives - I&#039;ve never done anything like that before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) You almost got a chance to speak your peace at the beginning, Penny.</p>
<p>2) I do agree with others about the levels; perhaps consider testing the audio with the mic at different distances from your mouths.  Then you can also use run the uncompressed WAV through the Levelator from Gigavox; highly recommended!</p>
<p>3) You seem to assume that JKR is going to wrap things up very neatly in book 7, specifically here with the Dursleys.  I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with that; she may opt to leave somethings unfinished and doesn&#8217;t/shouldn&#8217;t have an obligation to do so.  Or should she?  Just because it&#8217;s the last book doesn&#8217;t mean that everything needs to be tied up.  Please discuss.</p>
<p>4) Last night we were at the mall in a northwestern suburb of Cincinnati, and the bookstore there was taking reserve orders for book 7.  I&#8217;ve thought about taking our 9-1/2 year old and camping out the night before the book arrives &#8211; I&#8217;ve never done anything like that before.</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Raffy, I am inclined to agree with you on that.  Perhaps Dumbledore could have taken the high road, but the Dursley&#039;s did deserve the way he treated them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Raffy, I am inclined to agree with you on that.  Perhaps Dumbledore could have taken the high road, but the Dursley&#8217;s did deserve the way he treated them.</p>
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		<title>By: Raffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great podcast.

I think Greg is entirely wrong in judging Dumbledore&#039;s behavior at the Dursley&#039;s (HBP) in a negative light.  The Dursley&#039;s were entirely deserving of the harsh treatment they were given.   While it is true that I would not want a glass to knock me on the head every few seconds, you&#039;ve got to make allowances for JKR&#039;s use of humour in the novels.

Great podcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great podcast.</p>
<p>I think Greg is entirely wrong in judging Dumbledore&#8217;s behavior at the Dursley&#8217;s (HBP) in a negative light.  The Dursley&#8217;s were entirely deserving of the harsh treatment they were given.   While it is true that I would not want a glass to knock me on the head every few seconds, you&#8217;ve got to make allowances for JKR&#8217;s use of humour in the novels.</p>
<p>Great podcast.</p>
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		<title>By: Yamil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yamil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura...Laura...Laura....Does she ever learn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura&#8230;Laura&#8230;Laura&#8230;.Does she ever learn?</p>
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		<title>By: penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the suggestion, J.  We are working on that.
 I know we are 16 episodes in, but we are still
tweaking.  Keep those comments and suggestions coming
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the suggestion, J.  We are working on that.<br />
 I know we are 16 episodes in, but we are still<br />
tweaking.  Keep those comments and suggestions coming<br />
though!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the podcast, just really need to work on your recording levels.  The clipping kills my speakers and headphones</description>
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