Comments on: Episode #2 – Snape: Good, Bad or Both? http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/ If you thought Harry Potter was just for kids, think again! Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:32:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Andy http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Andy Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:31:43 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-33 Hah We can try to find a way that snape is good still, or that dumbledore is still alive, but it will never be true. All that is needed to prove all conspiracies wrong is just how complicated they would make the story. Sure, it would be possible for Snape and Dumbledore to have a secret plan or arranged killing, but it can't possibly fit in Rowling's final book, in which Harry still has to find all of the other Horcruxes, and destroy them, then battle Voldemort himself. Not to mention keep the story going with all of the side-tales of falling in love, and going to school. With Rowling's writing style, we have to expect a great story too. So even though we all loved Dumbledore, and trusted Snape all along, give it up. Hah We can try to find a way that snape is good still, or that dumbledore is still alive, but it will never be true. All that is needed to prove all conspiracies wrong is just how complicated they would make the story. Sure, it would be possible for Snape and Dumbledore to have a secret plan or arranged killing, but it can’t possibly fit in Rowling’s final book, in which Harry still has to find all of the other Horcruxes, and destroy them, then battle Voldemort himself. Not to mention keep the story going with all of the side-tales of falling in love, and going to school. With Rowling’s writing style, we have to expect a great story too. So even though we all loved Dumbledore, and trusted Snape all along, give it up.

]]> By: Barbara http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Barbara Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:52:55 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-32 I love your podcast, but I have to make a comment about the movies and Alan Rickman as Severus Snape. Your comments about him being too old to play Snape may be accurate technically, but to me he personifies Snape. Of all the movie characters, he was such an immediate fit for me that when I read the books I see his face and hear his voice. His restrained, yet passionate, loathing of Harry is spot on. Let's put aside the age question and admire the pure skill of his performance. I love your podcast, but I have to make a comment about the movies and Alan Rickman as Severus Snape. Your comments about him being too old to play Snape may be accurate technically, but to me he personifies Snape. Of all the movie characters, he was such an immediate fit for me that when I read the books I see his face and hear his voice. His restrained, yet passionate, loathing of Harry is spot on. Let’s put aside the age question and admire the pure skill of his performance.

]]> By: Penny http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Penny Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:29:15 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-31 Woops, not that it makes a difference but I wrote the last comment, not Greg (for some reason, he was logged in on my computer). Woops, not that it makes a difference but I wrote the last comment, not Greg (for some reason, he was logged in on my computer).

]]> By: Greg http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Greg Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:27:49 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-30 Aly- are you taking into account the fact that in HBP it said that Karkaroff was found dead? If not, then he is the one who was killed and therefore Snape is considered the most faithful servant. But that still doesn't mean that Snape is bad. Just that is what Voldemort thinks. Thoughts? Aly- are you taking into account the fact that in HBP it said that Karkaroff was found dead? If not, then he is the one who was killed and therefore Snape is considered the most faithful servant. But that still doesn’t mean that Snape is bad. Just that is what Voldemort thinks.

Thoughts?

]]> By: Aly http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Aly Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:36:02 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-29 hey guys, love the show. I know this is really late and all, but I think I may have found something of interest regarding Snape's intentions as I was re-reading book 4. It's in the chapter where Voldemort has just regained his body and he's addressing the Death Eaters that have shown up (Chapter 33). Voldemort reaches a gap in the circle where a few of his followers are missing and he says: "And here we have six missing Death Eaters... three dead in my service. One, too cowardly to return... he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever... he will be killed, of course... and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service." Now as we all know, Igor Karakoff, Severus Snape and Barty Crouch Jr. are all at Hogwarts. As Voldemort goes around the circle, those are three names he leaves out, which leads me to believe these are the three living Death Eaters he's talking about. Unless Snape somehow had Crouch under the Imperious Curse and made him drink the polyjuice potion----Crouch is definately the one who is most faithful to Voldemort. Which leaves Karakoff and Snape to be either the chicken who didn't show up when Voldy called, or the traitor. My guess is that Snape's going to meet his end because Karakoff was the one running to Snape all school year freaking out about the dark mark. Prove me wrong, please cause I want Snape to be a bad guy!!! hey guys, love the show. I know this is really late and all, but I think I may have found something of interest regarding Snape’s intentions as I was re-reading book 4. It’s in the chapter where Voldemort has just regained his body and he’s addressing the Death Eaters that have shown up (Chapter 33). Voldemort reaches a gap in the circle where a few of his followers are missing and he says:
“And here we have six missing Death Eaters… three dead in my service. One, too cowardly to return… he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever… he will be killed, of course… and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already reentered my service.”

Now as we all know, Igor Karakoff, Severus Snape and Barty Crouch Jr. are all at Hogwarts. As Voldemort goes around the circle, those are three names he leaves out, which leads me to believe these are the three living Death Eaters he’s talking about. Unless Snape somehow had Crouch under the Imperious Curse and made him drink the polyjuice potion—-Crouch is definately the one who is most faithful to Voldemort. Which leaves Karakoff and Snape to be either the chicken who didn’t show up when Voldy called, or the traitor. My guess is that Snape’s going to meet his end because Karakoff was the one running to Snape all school year freaking out about the dark mark. Prove me wrong, please cause I want Snape to be a bad guy!!!

]]> By: Jessica http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Jessica Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:05:20 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-28 I think Snape is good. Deep in his heart he cares for Harry and I think in book seven he will prove this in one way or another. Thanks again for yet another great show!! I think Snape is good. Deep in his heart he cares for Harry and I think in book seven he will prove this in one way or another. Thanks again for yet another great show!!

]]> By: Greg http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-27 Greg Thu, 08 Mar 2007 04:25:38 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-27 Paige: that's the quote! It sounds to me like Snape is trying to teach Harry an important lesson. Paige: that’s the quote! It sounds to me like Snape is trying to teach Harry an important lesson.

]]> By: Paige http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Paige Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:23:19 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-26 Hello! I know this is an old episode, but I'd just re-read the part of the book you were talking about when I heard this episode, and I remembered the quote you were talking about (when Snape was giving Harry tips after Dumbledore was killed). (After Harry's several attempts to curse Snape) "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!" Sneered Snape, deflecting the curse once more. Half-Blood Prince, Page 603, U.S. Hardback Edition Hello!

I know this is an old episode, but I’d just re-read the part of the book you were talking about when I heard this episode, and I remembered the quote you were talking about (when Snape was giving Harry tips after Dumbledore was killed).

(After Harry’s several attempts to curse Snape)

“Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, Potter!” Sneered Snape, deflecting the curse once more.

Half-Blood Prince, Page 603, U.S. Hardback Edition

]]> By: penny http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-25 penny Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:01:48 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-25 Hey Frank! Welcome to the podcast- we love getting these comments. While I agree with you that killing Dumbledore puts Snape higher on the "Voldemort Food Chain", as well as getting Snape out of the Unbreakable vow, I think there is even more of a reason for this. Harry has to face Voldemort alone. He is the only one that can end this. He doesn't have anyone to protect him anymore (as was written at the end of HBP, "And Harry saw very clearly as he sat there under the hot sun how people who cared about him had stood in front of him one by one, his mother, his father, his godfather, and finally dumbledore, all determined to protect him; but now that was over. He could not let anybody else stand between him and voldemort; he must abandon for ever the illusion he ought to have lost at age of one; that the shelter of a parent's arm meant that nothing could hurt him. There was no waking from his nightmare, no comforting whisper in the dark that he was safe really, that it was all in his imagination; the last and the greatest of his protectors had died and he was more alone than he had ever been before" I know this is as a result of Dumbledore's death and I know that Dumbledore didn't "ask" for death but I firmly believe that Dumbledore knew (somehow) that he was going to die- and that is why he prepared Harry so well during HBP . He knows that Harry wouldn't do what he had to do if Dumbledore was still alive. Harry himself realized this. It is his time. He can't rely on anyone else. Keep the comments coming! Hey Frank! Welcome to the podcast- we love getting these comments.

While I agree with you that killing Dumbledore puts Snape higher on the “Voldemort Food Chain”, as well as getting Snape out of the Unbreakable vow, I think there is even more of a reason for this. Harry has to face Voldemort alone. He is the only one that can end this. He doesn’t have anyone to protect him anymore (as was written at the end of HBP,

“And Harry saw very clearly as he sat there under the hot sun how people who cared about him had stood in front of him one by one, his mother, his father, his godfather, and finally dumbledore, all determined to protect him; but now that was over. He could not let anybody else stand between him and voldemort; he must abandon for ever the illusion he ought to have lost at age of one; that the shelter of a parent’s arm meant that nothing could hurt him. There was no waking from his nightmare, no comforting whisper in the dark that he was safe really, that it was all in his imagination; the last and the greatest of his protectors had died and he was more alone than he had ever been before”

I know this is as a result of Dumbledore’s death and I know that Dumbledore didn’t “ask” for death but I firmly believe that Dumbledore knew (somehow) that he was going to die- and that is why he prepared Harry so well during HBP . He knows that Harry wouldn’t do what he had to do if Dumbledore was still alive. Harry himself realized this. It is his time. He can’t rely on anyone else.

Keep the comments coming!

]]> By: Frank http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-24 Frank Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:46:09 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-24 Greg and Penny, Love the Podcast. Just got an iPod, so I'm catching up from the beginning, so please forgive me if this was addressed later on (but I don't want to lose my train of thought). I've been going down the same path on Snape's killing of Dumbledore...that it was part of Dumbledore's plan. What I didn't hear you discuss was why? What's to gain by having Snape kill Dumbledore. Sure, there's the maturation of Harry and getting Malfoy out of his vow, but I was thinking more strategically. Killing Dumbledore the, "one wizard he always feared" has to quickly move Snape to the top of the Death Eater pyramid...close enough, perhaps, to be instrumental in his downfall. It appears that Voldemort is more powerful now than before (witness the duel in the Ministry) and having aged, I don't think that Dumbledore felt he could defeat him. Their best hope would be to have Voldemort's new most trusted Death Eater be your double agent. Thoughts? Greg and Penny,

Love the Podcast. Just got an iPod, so I’m catching up from the beginning, so please forgive me if this was addressed later on (but I don’t want to lose my train of thought). I’ve been going down the same path on Snape’s killing of Dumbledore…that it was part of Dumbledore’s plan. What I didn’t hear you discuss was why? What’s to gain by having Snape kill Dumbledore. Sure, there’s the maturation of Harry and getting Malfoy out of his vow, but I was thinking more strategically. Killing Dumbledore the, “one wizard he always feared” has to quickly move Snape to the top of the Death Eater pyramid…close enough, perhaps, to be instrumental in his downfall. It appears that Voldemort is more powerful now than before (witness the duel in the Ministry) and having aged, I don’t think that Dumbledore felt he could defeat him. Their best hope would be to have Voldemort’s new most trusted Death Eater be your double agent.

Thoughts?

]]> By: penny http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-23 penny Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:24:23 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-23 Well, Janice, If you can suggest any good theme music, I will be very appreciative. Greg doesn't like any of my choices so we keep pushing it off... About your snape thoughts. I hear what you are saying about killing "doing something to one's soul", but we are assuming that Snape hasn't killed before. Remember, he was an actual death eater before he repented. We don't know a lot about his time as a death eater or about what activities he partook in, but I think it is safe to say that the death eaters were known for some pretty evil activities including ritualistic muggle killings. I am assuming Snape was not completely innocent at that time (even if he didn't actually kill anyone he still probably stood by while innocent muggles were being tortured and killed). By this logic, I am assuming that Snapes sould has been somewhat tampered with anyway and that Dumbledore knew this and knew that Snape had to kill him and they both reasoned that he end justified the means. Just my thought. BTW, we read your last comment. Thank you so much for it. I wanted Greg to field it because I don't have a whole lot of opinions on the Christianity issue, but he hasn't had time to address that yet. Perhaps in a podcast. Keep an ear out for our Halloween podcast, by the way! Well, Janice, If you can suggest any good theme music, I will be very appreciative. Greg doesn’t like any of my choices so we keep pushing it off…

About your snape thoughts. I hear what you are saying about killing “doing something to one’s soul”, but we are assuming that Snape hasn’t killed before. Remember, he was an actual death eater before he repented. We don’t know a lot about his time as a death eater or about what activities he partook in, but I think it is safe to say that the death eaters were known for some pretty evil activities including ritualistic muggle killings. I am assuming Snape was not completely innocent at that time (even if he didn’t actually kill anyone he still probably stood by while innocent muggles were being tortured and killed).

By this logic, I am assuming that Snapes sould has been somewhat tampered with anyway and that Dumbledore knew this and knew that Snape had to kill him and they both reasoned that he end justified the means. Just my thought.

BTW, we read your last comment. Thank you so much for it. I wanted Greg to field it because I don’t have a whole lot of opinions on the Christianity issue, but he hasn’t had time to address that yet. Perhaps in a podcast. Keep an ear out for our Halloween podcast, by the way!

]]> By: janice http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-22 janice Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:08:40 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-22 I still can't make up my mind about Snape - I can see either argument. On one hand, the "he's good" argument makes sense from the standpoint of what we know about Dumbledore; Dumbledore understands sacrifice and doesn't fear death, and he is certainly the type to have pre-aranged the sacrifice of his own life. On the other hand, the strongest argument for "bad" in my mind is that I still question whether or not Dumbledore would ask someone good to kill, given that killing "does something" to one's soul. So - I guess I'll have to wait and see! And yeah - you guys totally need theme music! I still can’t make up my mind about Snape – I can see either argument. On one hand, the “he’s good” argument makes sense from the standpoint of what we know about Dumbledore; Dumbledore understands sacrifice and doesn’t fear death, and he is certainly the type to have pre-aranged the sacrifice of his own life. On the other hand, the strongest argument for “bad” in my mind is that I still question whether or not Dumbledore would ask someone good to kill, given that killing “does something” to one’s soul. So – I guess I’ll have to wait and see!

And yeah – you guys totally need theme music!

]]> By: penny http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-21 penny Mon, 09 Oct 2006 23:37:44 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-21 I have said we need a theme song. I also want there to be a song playing while I am doing the news. On one of the local radio stations here, when they are reading the (entertainment) news, the entertainment tonight theme plays and it is just so cheesy, I love it. Aishel- not sure what you mean. Dumbledore isn't afraid of death, he was fooling the others there into thinking he didn't want snape to kill him, but he also was begging for snape TO kill him, perhaps because of the unbreakable vow. I have said we need a theme song. I also want there to be a song playing while I am doing the news. On one of the local radio stations here, when they are reading the (entertainment) news, the entertainment tonight theme plays and it is just so cheesy, I love it.

Aishel- not sure what you mean. Dumbledore isn’t afraid of death, he was fooling the others there into thinking he didn’t want snape to kill him, but he also was begging for snape TO kill him, perhaps because of the unbreakable vow.

]]> By: aishel http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-20 aishel Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:31:58 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-20 When you were talking about Dumbledore begging Snape, perhaps he wasn't necessarily begging him to kill him, rather, just fooling the other people there, because like you said, Dumbledore isn't afraid of death! When you were talking about Dumbledore begging Snape, perhaps he wasn’t necessarily begging him to kill him, rather, just fooling the other people there, because like you said, Dumbledore isn’t afraid of death!

]]> By: T & A Finkelstein http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-19 T & A Finkelstein Fri, 29 Sep 2006 02:28:54 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-19 Move over Katie Couric!!! We're hooked! .... you need a theme song, though. avrumi says, "we'll talk." royalties negotiable at this point for friends. Move over Katie Couric!!!
We’re hooked! …. you need a theme song, though. avrumi says, “we’ll talk.” royalties negotiable at this point for friends.

]]> By: tammy http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-18 tammy Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:37:17 +0000 http://www.hpprogs.com/2006/09/21/episode-2-snape-good-bad-or-both/#comment-18 Hey, you're back!!!! I will listen to this when I have more time, but so glad to see you are back! Hey, you’re back!!!! I will listen to this when I have more time, but so glad to see you are back!

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